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April
2005's Fan
Fights:
Enzo Macaroni vs. All Red Gloria II (April 25-May 1)
Nito vs. Mr Sweet (April 18-24)
Neckodeemus vs. The Loud Man (April 11-17)
Nito vs. Neil
(April 4-10)
Enzo Macaroni vs Kid KO (March 28-April 3) |
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This Week's Fan Fight (April
25-May 2):
REMATCH - Enzo vs. Gloria II
"Who Needs To
Retire Most: Tyson or Holyfield?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
8,
Red: 10
Enzo Macaroni TKO
2 All Red Gloria |
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Blue Corner:
All Red Gloria (2-0, 2 KO's) - Tyson Needs To Retire Most
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Red Corner:
Enzo Macaroni (3-3, 3 KO's) - Holyfield Needs To
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Blue:
"Why
is Tyson the topic of one of your discussions again? Who can step up
and defend this guy? Haven't I already mad my point clear once
before? This womanizing wife beater is a loser. He didn't even
win his last fight against that bum from England! Oh wait a minute,
he did beat the crap out of that car, maybe that's your argument?
Let's get real here, this guy not only needs to retire, he needs to
go away, far away!"
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Red:
"I actually had a series of factors I was
going to use in this argument, and I'm sure I'll get to flex my mental
muscles if this goes the distance, but as in our first fight, you've
spewed a lot of bile and given no argument. My ankles are fully
strapped, so here we go.
First of all, by choosing Holyfield I'm not defending Tyson, I'm merely
pointing out that a definite hall of famer with millions of pounds in
the bank and several familes to look after should hang up his gloves
before he gets hurt, as well as doing further damage to his reputation
by losing to guys he'd have destroyed a decade ago - think Ruiz, Byrd,
Donald. Mike Tyson's legacy is tainted, having been severely beaten by
Lewis and Evander, and lately Danny Williams, he's completely shot, but
needs to continue as he has zero dollars in the bank. I think one of the
main differences is that nobody gives a damn about Tyson's health, they
want the freak show to continue in the hope he'll find a run of form and
KO a few more bums for their viewing pleasure. Let's get real, if he
cared about the sport he'd show it more respect, whereas Commander
Evander is a warrior who just doesn't know when to quit, he will fight
and fight until he's carried out of the ring, and that's a possibility
if he continues. He is respected and loved, Tyson is not. Tyson fights
for money, Holyfield fights for pride and former glories, so let the
ear-munching cretin carry on losing and picking up pay cheques, that's
all he's concerned with. He hasn't been a GREAT fighter since the early
1990s, and even before then he was showing signs of wear and tear. They
both need to retire, but for different reasons, and Evander's are the
more worthy."
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This
is the rematch to a bizarre, yet thrilling fight Gloria All Red won last
November. The fight was even going into their 3rd round. Enzo came on
strong in the 3rd and was able to drop Gloria and the fight looked to be
on it's way to a 4th round stoppage, however, a twisted ankle prompted
Enzo out of the fight and unable to continue and Gloria the winner by
TKO.
And here we go, round 1 and Gloria comes right out with her hands down,
taunting Enzo. Enzo lands a double jab and a rocket right hand that send
Gloria reeling back to the ropes. Gloria is throwing a few wild shots,
all easily avoided here in the early going by Enzo. Enzo counters one of
Gloria's missed hooks with a HUUUUUGE uppercut and
DOOOOOOOOOWWWWNNNNN GOOOOOOEEEEESSSSS GLOOOORRRIIIAAAAAAAAAA! Enzo has
been waiting for this opportunity, however, the most of it has to do
with the lack of an argument in round 1 from Gloria. 4.....5.....she's
up on 6, her eyes wide open now. Enzo jumps right in and begins to
pummel Gloria in the corner. Great comments on Evander being respected,
whereas Tyson is more of a "freak show" who the fans probably
dont care for his health, and yes, Evander "losing to guys he'd have
destroyed a decade ago" was on the mark.
DING, DING! Gloria out on her feet at the end of the round goes to the
WRONG CORNER! She better pick up thing in round 2.
* 10-8 Round to Red *
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Red: "History shows us that
regaining a world heavyweight title is a monumental task, especially at
Holyfield's age. Let's forget Foreman, the Punching Preacher has not
been in as many wars as Evander and had several breaks in his career.
Tyson has the possibility of becoming champ again if he knocks out 2-3
stiffs and faces somebody like Brewster or Golota, but that's his only
chance and that's very, very slim. But Holyfield has absolutely no
chance of regaining a world title and absolutely no reason to continue.
If he thinks he can become champ coming off a loss to Larry Donald then
I pray for his sanity. Since Lewis he's had nothing in the tank, though
I can understand the temptation to keep on fighting. The heavyweight
scene is in dire straits, he wants to make history again, but his
handlers should stop him before he gets hurt.
Unlike Tyson, he cannot rely on KO power to do what Foreman did against
Moorer, he is already slurring his words and his balance left him a long
time ago.
He has nothing to prove, Tyson WILL always have something to prove.
Holyfield will be remembered as a LEGEND, Tyson won't. Holyfield carries
himself with dignity, Tyson does not.
Holyfield has proved his bravery and stamina, whenever Tyson has been in
with somebody who fires back he either loses (Williams, Holyfield,
Lewis, Douglas) or nicks a controversial decision (Ruddock).
Tyson's Hall of Fame entry will be based on his work in the 1980s,
Holyfield has been a winner since turning pro, both in and out of the
ring. Enjoy your retirement Evander..."
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Blue:
"You said, 'History
shows us that regaining a world heavyweight title is a monumental
task.'
I say, But now that there are 5 belts or more,
who really cares?
You said, 'Let's forget Foreman, the Punching
Preacher has not been in as many wars as Evander.'
I say, YOU ARE A MORON! How about Ali? Ron Lyle?
Jimmy Young? Evander? Alex Stewart? Tommy Morrison? Axel Schulz?
Shannon Briggs? You really don't know too much about boxing, do ya?
You said, 'Tyson has the possibility of becoming
champ again if he knocks out 2-3 stiffs.'
I say, You mean stiffs like Danny Williams?
Duh!
You said, 'The heavyweight scene is in dire
straits.'
I say, All the more reason why Evander has as
good a chance as Mike the Molester!
You said, 'He is already slurring his words.'
I say, That makes him more than qualified to be
the Champ!
You said, 'Holyfield will be remembered as a
LEGEND, Tyson won't. Holyfield carries himself with dignity.
Holyfield has proved his bravery and stamina!'
I say, 'All the more reason to expect a
spectacular comeback!'
You said, 'Whenever Tyson has been in with
somebody who fires back he, loses (Williams, Holyfield, Lewis,
Douglas)!'
I say, 'You just made my point for me with that
one you fool!'
Okay judges, do the right thing and knock this
bum out! He shows he possesses no boxing knowledge, in fact, he has
no knowledge at all and should not be allowed to continue!"
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Round 2 in this already heated rematch. Enzo looking to finish off
Gloria here, but surprisingly she appears to have her senses back and
comes out firing big shots of her own. Enzo make a good point that Tyson
could get a win over "2-3 stiffs like Brewster or Golota" (a man
he currently has a win over) and could actually regain the heavyweight
championship. Gloria counters right back with a right hand of her own
mentioning Danny Williams who isnt even on the level of a Brewster or
Golota, even if not that far off. Glroia throws a wild left hook that
misses mentioning fighters slurring their words qualifies to be the
champ. Enzo takes the opportunity to land a right on the open Gloria and
lands flush, sending her back to the ropes once again. Enzo remaining
patient, picking and taking clean shots here and lands another uppercut
from round 1 and snaps Gloria's head back: Evander "has nothing to
prove, Tyson WILL always have something to prove. Holyfield will be remembered as a LEGEND, Tyson won't. Holyfield carries
himself with dignity, Tyson does not.", spot on. Gloria keeping her
hands up trying to fight back, but she doesnt look good as Enzo opened
up a cut above her left eye thats already beginning to pour. Gloria
complains it was a headbutt, but the punch was clearly seen.
The referee calls a halt to this bout with 1 minute left in the round to
bring in the doctor to take a look at the cut. It doesnt look good, the
blood is going right into her eye, and it looks like....yes, the referee
is waiving it of based on the advice from the fight doctor and that's
it, it's all over, here in round 2.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End In Round 2. Based
On The Advice Of The Ringside Physician, Gloria Suffered A Cut Too
Severe To Continue. The Final Time, 2:15 Of The 2nd Round, Your Winner
By TKO
And Getting His Revenge In The Rematch....
ENNNZOOOOOOOOO MAAACAAAARROOOOONNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!
Enzo, you waited a long time for
this. A freak accident halted the first encounter with Gloria, how do
you feel about this victory and where do you go from here?
Enzo:
All Red Gloria, give us your take on
what went on in the ring, and do you want a 3rd fight with Enzo?
All Red Gloria:
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This Week's Fan Fight
(April 18-24):
"Who's The
Worst Commentator:
Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley, Steve Albert, or Teddy Atlas" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
9,
Red: 10
Nito TKO 1
Mr. Sweet |
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Blue Corner:
Nito (1-0) - Steve Albert
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Red Corner: Mr. Sweet (Fan Fight Debut) -
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Blue: "OK.
This is a no brainer. Steve Albert is by far the worst commentator. He
seems to have not learned anything since he started commentating.
Horrible one liners such as when Prince Naseem Hamed was fighting Daniel
Alicea. Alicea knocked Prince down. Albert said “The Prince better watch
out, or he’ll be the Artist formerly known as Prince”. He also tends to
get hyped over the wrong stuff. For example watch Kostya Tsyzu vs.
Shramba Mitchell. Both fighters land hooks. Kostya hook is better and
even staggers Mitchell, Mitchell hook had no effect. Albert screams out
how good of hook Mitchell just landed!!!. Bernstein jumps in like Kostya
just landed a hook that staggered Mitchell clearly showing who is the
weaker link of the duo. The only commentator who comes even close to
being as horrible as Albert is Foreman. Yes the rest have there faults
but none are on Alberts level. Yes sometimes Merchant babbles out a
confusing phrase but he knows he stuff and he is probably the most
unbiased commentator on the list. Lampley makes a few mistakes like
sometimes sounding like he is in love with Oscar and Roy but he knows
how to scream out the drama in the fight like no other. When I mean the
drama I mean look at any great fight on HBO. Lampley screams out his
heart. Albert tries to but doesn’t even come close. Atlas sometimes
confuses me. He tries to hard but he is not that bad."
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Red:
"That was pretty good actually. Of Course
all those mentioned are horrible commentators, it should be easy to
nominate one for the absolute worst and thats Merchant. The only
commentator that should be fired. He starts too much shit. Getting
himself into trouble often(why do you think they didnt do the Barrera/Fana
fight? yep, he was sort of penalized for a comment he made about the
philipines in the Morales fight previous.). Remember the DeLaHoya/Whitaker
fight? "This Sucks" were his comments when DeLaHoya walked in to the
meoldy of the mariachi band playing in the center of the ring. I might
understand if it was taking a long time and they wouldnt finish and it
was delaying the fight, but Merchant was just pointing out how DeLaHoya
was trying to fit in as a mexican and it was really uncalled for. Every
time I watch and HBO fight, Merchant say somthing just comepletely
stupid. His summary of the night are usually what should be cut out of
the telecast as he goes on about how the fight relates to a dead mous on
the corner of the street he saw the other day. Just dumb. Ill agree
ASlbert doesnt put his heart into it, but Merchant goes way over the top
and gets too involved, often not stopping once the telecasts are over.
Ive read interviews where he would go up to trainers and tell them to
their face that they should not have won a particular fight. A good
commentator hints it, like Bernstein who is not biased in the least.
Merchant also has way off scores and Im left scratching my head, but Ill
get into that in round 2."
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Nito comes out to meet Mr. Sweet in the center of the ring for round 1.
Nito establishes a good jab and starts with a straight right hand, pin
pointing comments Albert makes. Nito is on point with Albert "tends
to get hyped over the wrong stuff", as he usually does and often
only sees one of the punches when both opponents land in many fights.
Sweet counters back and is willing to mix it up with Nito, a left hook
to the body backs Nito off: Merchant in trouble over the Morale vs.
Pacquiao fight was spot on. Not sure how many knew about that?! Sweet
follows up with a right hand as Nito fights off the ropes, using his
side to side movement. Nito lands a flush uppercut to the chin: "This
Sucks", the exact comment Merchant gave that was "uncalled for".
Nito end the round with a quick combination of comments on each of the
listed commentators. No extra points scored for the funny comments on
Merchants summary of the night by Sweet.
* 10-9 Round to Red * Close round
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An Abrupt End In Between
Rounds 1 And 2 As Mr. Sweet Has Informed The Referee That He Could Not
Continue And Begin Round 2 Despite Being Ahead On The Score Card As His
Wife Just Had A Baby. (That Counts As A Double KO Right?)
Since The 2nd Round Had Not Begun, You Winner By 1st Round TKO.....
Niiiiiitttttttttttttooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Nito, 2-0 now, you expressed a liking in a possible rematch with Neil,
what are you plans?
Nito:
I cant really say
nothing about this victory…but yes I want a rematch with Neil
definitely…Tell Mr. Sweet congrats on the kid..
Mr. Sweet, girl or boy, and will you be back?
Mr. Sweet:
Ah hell. I was on my
was to victory. We shall have to get it on again then. My apologies
for the "pull out", I promise it wasnt Freitas style.
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Last Week's Fan Fight (April 11-17):
""Who
Wins: John Ruiz vs. James Toney?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
17,
Red: 20
Neckodeemus TKO 3
The Loud Man |
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Blue Corner:
The Loud Man (Fan Fight Debut) -
John Ruiz Will Win
Red Corner:
Neckodeemus (7-2, 4 KO's) - James Toney Will Win |
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Blue: "Where do I begin? Ruiz
may be unpleasing to the eye, but no one can beat him. NO ONE! Now he's
taking on Big fat Toney? How does a natural middleweight blow up to
being fatter than a heavyweight? He doesnt even look in shape, hows he
going to beat Ruiz? Ruiz only lost 2 legit fights: 1. to Tua which was a
sham and lucky on Tua's part as he could never do that sort of thing
again, the loss to Evander was also a sham because Ruiz beat him each 3
times. Say that with me, 'Ruiz beat Evander 3 times'. How does it feel?
Toney only beat him because he got the leftovers. And 2. Ruiz loss to
Jones was due to Jones being one remarkable fighter, who also beat Big
Fat Toney. Toney beat up on Rydell booker. Rydell who? Who's that? That
fight went the distance and he was fatter than Big Fat, so hows he going
to beat a top shape fighter like Ruiz? Ruiz has walked through everyone
they put in front of him including Evander(3 times, say it again), Kirk
Johnson(who was undefeated at the time), Hasim Rahman(psh, he's supposed
to be fighting Klitschko right? and if he beats Vitali, Ruiz has a basic
win over him too), and lets not forget Fres Oquendo and most recently
Andrew Golota. Those are some big names and I each one would beat Toney.
Big Fag Kirk would KO Big Fat Toney. Ruiz walks you down, he may hold,
but he lands clean and fights fair. Toney's a Big Fat slob who cant even
get himself into shape for the most important fight of his life.
Everyone mentions how boxing Ruiz is, but have you watched any Toney
fights? Jesus man, that Booker fight was dreadful and that was just his
last fight! Toney's going down."
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Red: "Have I seen any Toney
fights? Only every single one since he was first getting TV exposure and
I certainly do not see any way a supreme fighter like Toney will be
beaten by Johnny Louise. Firstly though you are one of the many fans
that mistakenly still tars Toney with the Fat brush, Toney looked ripped
Vs Booker and his weight problems only affected him in the lower
divisions as making the lower weights robbed him of stamina. Toney no
longer has this problem, what he does have though is his high
middleweight punch output and his variety of shots. You also need to
check your facts as in three fights Vs Holyfield Ruiz scraped one messy
win and many thought Holyfield, shot to pieces incidently, deserved the
final fight. If Louise was superior to Holyfield he'd have stopped him,
Toney did this and before you say anything consider that Holyfield has
recently fought Louise, Byrd, Rahman and Donald and not been stopped by
any of them and will not be stopped anytime soon, Toney punched him
aside though and did so impressively. Kirk Johnson KO'ING Toney? Do you
even know how many times Toney has been down (that is a rhetorical
question so close your mouth before you catch flies) TWICE, both flash
Kd'ns he recovered quickly from. Talking dreadful fights have you seen
Louise Vs Golota? He lost that one plain and simple on many cards, you
are keen to change results so why not start with that one? Louise does
not "beat" everyone put in front of him in the way Toney does, he hugs
them into exhaustion and then snatches a point win off judges that
decide they've had enough. Louise cannot fight he can only spoil in
close and try to grab and jab his way to victory, Toney builds his
attacks off the jab and is the best inside fighter in the world; he will
have something for Louise in the clinches and it won't be a big kiss. He
will give him a big left-hook followed by a right uppercut on the
kisser. Also that Tua win, I watched that and there was no controversy,
Louise was annihilated in a single round by a smaller heavyweight which
is funny as he was humiliated on points by a smaller heavyweight (Jones)
so for the sake of your argument I hope you have more than "Louise BIG,
Toney SMALL..." as it just does not wash. There is a pattern emerging
and it favours Toney who will mix up both Tua and Jones' approach and Ko
the "Sh*te Man" in ten or under. Toney will be in shape and the worst
reign in modern boxing is going to emphatically ended, come April it is
Lights Out for the Quiet Man."
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The Loud Man comes out in his debut taunting a bit with his chin out,
but sure enough to stay back some, out of harms way. Loud Man makes a
good case on Toney getting "leftovers" in his fight with Evander
after 3 wear and tear fights with Ruiz, but Necko counters over the top
with a right hand on the money: "Holyfield has recently fought
Louise, Byrd, Rahman and Donald and not been stopped by any of them and
will not be stopped anytime soon". True facts, even for a passed
prime fighter like Evander. Loud Man mentiones Ruiz had "walked through"
all his opponents, then mentions the likes of Oquendo, yet that fight
was 1 jab per round until the referee fell asleep and appeared to have
tripped Fres on accident to help Ruiz gain enough confidence to land a
punch, which didnt even drop him. Then Loud Man sums it up with the
Golota fight yet Necko snaps Loud Man's head back with an uppercut to
the chin mentioned Ruiz "lost that one plain and simple", which
is pretty close to how it should have been scored.
* 10-9 Round to Red *
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Red:
"Maybe now you will stop the fat jokes and
actually try to convince us that Louise can beat Toney and to help you I
will describe what techniques defeated Toney in two of his losses. Toney
is a counter puncher who builds his entire attack of his opponents jab,
he is also a master inside fighter adept at shouldering his opponent
away in order to launch his cruel counter shots. Roy Jones countered
this by leading with his left-hook and using constant lateral movement
whilst always making sure he stayed a good distance from the weight
drained, but still described as Roy's toughest test by himself, Toney.
Montell Griffis used constant movement also and employed the tactic of
ducking so low as to be almost impossible to hit whilst again trying not
to engage James, despite this HBO had Toney winning their first fight
handily and he was also adjudged to have been robbed second time round,
I can testify having watched both fights numerous times. Now you may ask
why am I meandering in this way and telling you how to beat Toney?
Because I am describing what Louise CANNOT do. You need to have fast
hands, unorthodox jabbing technique, brilliant lateral movement, a high
work-rate and excellent footwork. Johnny Louise has none of the above,
he is a meanderer himself and his technique is to throw a terminally
slow jab followed by some cuffs on the inside. Toney will slip/shoulder
roll/block the jab counter then open up when John gets in close and
Louise is too one dimensional to do anything but what he does, and what
he does is not enough to beat Toney. Now you may say he will be
strong and Toney will not be able to cope with his style, have you seen
that great Toney win over Prince Charles Williams? Remember how Williams
jab and rushed his way into Toney and instigated an inside war? Toney
let him do this and countered him to death even though Williams was
bigger and stronger Toney was happy to stand shoulder to shoulder and
fight messily on the inside. Like Louise this was all Williams had to
offer, Toney beat him on the inside then stepped back and picked him off
at long range, he was stronger and more skilled than the bigger man and
more adept at fighting in the zone. Once Toney stepped back it was a
matter of time as James enjoyed himself with his superior class before
taking out the bigger man in the fianl stanza, this is a similar fate
that awaits Louise. Toney will weather Louise's "Fight" and then break
him down before leaving his ass on the mat and will draw a line under a
title reign charecterised by mediocrity as well as some strange
decisions. Louise does not have enough depth and is out of his depth Vs
James. I'm going to enjoy watching him get broken down and knocked out."
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Blue: "What Fat jokes? Im not
joking and Im sure anyone who has watched Toney or seen any photos of
him on the net over the last few years will tell you what a Fat Ass he's
turned into. Fact is, Ruiz has never come into a fight out of shape. On
the other hand you have Toney who CONSTANTLY does this routine of
slacking off and coming in fat and out of shape. I can count on Ruiz to
take every fight of his serious, but as for Toney, boxing is some big
joke to him and it's time for his wakeup call. This is no joke and his
"heavyweights are garbage" routine has also run thin. You may not have
Lewis and Tyson anymore, but Byrd and Klitschko are pretty damn good in
my book. When you look at Ruiz, he's beat more top heavyweights than the
both of them. Byrd beat Evander after the 3 times Ruiz fought him, and
even before Toney had him. That's 4 fights of tenderizing they did so
youre Fat chump could take out one of boxing's greatests in his day.
What an accomplishment, not. Toney barely got by Jirov at Cruiser so how
can he get by a legit heavy? Jirov has no defense whatsoever and by him
losing to Morrer should tell you how lucky Toney is. A past prime, out
of shape Morrer KO'd Jirov, yet Toney got lucky on the cards as they did
not refelct just how close this fight was. I had it 1 point either way.
With that said, you have Ruiz who has the absolute best defense in all
the heavies with the exception of Byrd's movement. Ok, so the Tua loss
showed he didnt have the best of chins, but neither did Lewis and he
succeeded as a heavy based on his skills, something Ruiz has been doing
against the top fighter's he's faced. Ruiz showed that in the rematch
and Tua looking so sad because this time Ruiz had his hands up. If he
left his chin out there of course even Evander would have KO'd him, but
he has skill. His defense is masterful and that's the total opposite of
Jirov. Therefore you have Toney losing easy."
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Necko comes out to round 2 with precision work using the jab in
describing what the opponents who beat Toney have, then lands a flush
left hook at the end of a right hand combo with: "Iam describing what
Louise CANNOT do". Wow. Nice shot and it sends Loud Man, back to the
ropes. Loud Man not offering much as far as defense goes and is willing
to trade, but the lack of experience shows in describing the Toney vs
Jirov fight and how that relates to a Ruiz win. Of course Ruiz fights
differently than Jirov, but that doesn't mean Toney will fight that same
fight vs Ruiz that he did with Jirov. That was an all out war, and when
has Ruiz gone to war? Probably in that 1st Tua fight and we all know
what happened there. However, I don't think most of us know what
happened in that alleged rematch you mention because it wasn't
televised, nor recorded in any record book or site.
*10-8 Round to Red * Loud Man gets Deducted
a Point for incorrect facts
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Blue: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Dangit. Was writing that at like 3am so I was dead and was thinking of
Tua vs Byrd. ARGH! I slipped up, but I assure you Ruiz wont. Even if I
lose this Fan Fight, when Ruiz wins you'll give me and him some respect
and you can hold a win over me in that aspect only. A rematch clause has
been signed and we can argue over that Toney vs Quirk Johnson idea, or
maybe you'll decide to take my side and back Ruiz for a change because
that's what everyone will do once Ruiz wins. "I told you so" is what
they'll all do. So here we go, round 3, thats about the distance Toney
can go before he gets tired and has to hang on becuse of the
conditioning he doesnt have. This is one of the things Toney "cannot do"
and thats stay focused and disciplined. Ruiz is always focused and
disciplined. He doesnt fool around and he goes to work, thats a fighter
I can count on. Toney is similar to Tyson in the apsect of
unpredictable. What Toney are we gonna get Apilr 30th? Will he be
standard Big Fat Toney? or will it be an ok shape Toney who is just too
upset when he gets in the ring that he throws all his skills in the
garbage? Either way, neither Toney is a top contender to beat a top
champion like Ruiz. When has Ruiz showed up out of shape? when has Ruiz
shown up so ticked that he lost focus and his fight plan didnt work? He
was only outworked by Jones and theres no shame in that. Toney got
dropped by Jones and made a fool of. Ruiz only fell into his fight plan,
and it didnt help with referee Jay Nady helping Jones out in every round
by letting him use his borderline dirty tactics. Ruiz would grab and use
his technique of tiring his opponents but Nady would break them in a
split second. Anyway, no excuses, but Toney was full of them and carries
that loss wherever he goes because revenge at Jones was all that he
could think of and that shows a shot fighter when he cant get over
another fighter. Similar to Morales not being able to get over Barrera,
hence he loses focus. Ruiz is ultra focus and with Stoney in his corner,
how can he lose one split of focus? It's a perfect duo to take down the
duo of Toney and his tummy."
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Red: "You must have wrote this
one at 4am as it is littered with mistakes, allow me to point them out
to you whilst again showing that Johnny Denise is doomed. A rematch
clause? Whoa, confidence there on the part of Louise/Denise. Toney only
going three rounds before losing steam? Are you wise? I even helped you
avoid this mistake by pointing out Toney Ko'd Charles William's in the
twelfth and Final round my man, no stamina problem there. Toney Ko'd
Nunn in the eleventh, Toney carried rounds 10,11 & 12 to draw with
McCallum, Toney beat Reggie Johnson on points, Jirov on points in a
tough fight, Toney has won many major victories on points and rarely
takes guys out Before the third! What are you talking about here? Toney
can do the distance even when his stamina was low, he knew when to
explode and when to rest, at heavy he does not have that problem, Louise
is in trouble. Louise doesn't fool around? Hugging and kissing his
opponents? Americans call that "Fooling around" don't they? Ruiz
focussed? Is that the Denise that cried about his divorce after the
Jones
humiliation and used it as an excuse for his losing focus? Jones
humiliated Ruiz but Toney slipped Vs Jones and Jones was more afraid of
Toney the SuperMiddle than Louise the Heavy!! Then you say no excuses!
Are you a comedian? So your only argument remains that
Denise/Louise/Ruiz will be focussed by Norman "I'll ignore the fight and
argue with the ref/the judges/the ringside doctor/that snooty round card
girl" Stone? Stone cannot focus himself so how will he direct focus from
Louise? Toney had a legitimate excuse Vs Jones, a stone back on in one
day...crazy James, only excuse he will need after Ruiz is if he doesn't
KO him. You are now appealing to after the fight for your argument, hey
my friend if you want to argue your position then you need to have some
styles otherwise allow someone else the opportunity and don't project
your argument until after the fact. I've told you why Toney will win,
how he is better and why you are floundering, do him a favour ref get
him out or let him quit on his stool."
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* This Fight Has Come To An End In The 3rd As Neckodeemus Applied Enough
Hurt On The Loud Man To Call The Referee In And Waive This One Off. The
Loud Man Hurt At The End Of Round 2 Came Out On Uneasy Legs To Begin The
3rd And Neckodeemus Came Right Out Pouding On A The Defensless Opponent
In The Corner. Final Time, :49 Of The 3rd Round, Your Winner By TKO...He's
Back Ladies And Gentlemen...
Neeecckkkoooooooooodeeeeemmuuussss!!!!
Necko, looking sharp in your highly anticipated comeback fight that you
hinted may not happen. What can we expect to see from you now?
Neckodeemus:
"Good to be back and I
did toy with idea of retiring but I've been robbed once and cheated also
so just decided to end all my subsequent fights by Ko. Every fight I'm
going to go for it so look out. Neckodeemus the emalmer is back and this
fight shows off my new style of speak."
Loud Man, losing by KO in your debut
against one of our P4P top Fan Fighters, where do you go from here?
The Loud Man:
"You'll all remember me when Ruiz wins it.
I'll be back to argue a Ruiz vs Klitschko, or a Ruiz vs Byrd fan fight
then because Ruiz will beat them alllllllllllllllll."
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
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Fan Fight
April 4-10:
"Erik
Morales Should: Rematch Pacquiao, Fight Barrera Again, Move Up For The
Castillo/Corrales Winner, or Fight Juan Manuel Marquez?" |
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Result: Blue:
37,
Red: 39
Nito W 4
Neil1690 |
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Blue Corner:
Neil1690 (3-1, 2 KO's) - 4th Fight With Barrera
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Red Corner:
Nito (Fan Fight Debut) - Rematch With Pacquiao - |
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Blue: "O.K
Nito, hope you've come prepared, I am in no mood to mess about when Erik
Morales is involved, and have got a ton of stuff to say on this but will
start by outlining why all other options open to Morales, make less
sense than a fourth fight with Barrera, the only man to put a dent in
his legacy. First off, Juan Manuel Marquez would have to move up to
super-feather, and if the Pacquaio rematch is anything to go by, he will
likely ask for too much money and price himself out of the fight. Also,
to be brutally honest, Marquez has not done enough to deserve a fight
with Morales. One draw against a poor Pacquaio on the night (still
scored it to Pacquaio by a point), does not make him a future hall of
famer, the sort of guys Morales should be fighting at this stage of his
career.
Erik has already stated that he will not fight Jose Luis Castillo as
they are very good friends, plus the fact that Castillo is an
exceptionally dangerous proposition. A natural 135 pounder, who is set
to move up to super lightweight, against a man who started his career at
122?? I am not sure Morales really needs this fight and there are
easier targets at lightweight in my opinion. Corrales is one of them.
He has a style that would suit Morales, can be easily outboxed by a
gifted technician, is not as strong as Castillo and is vulnerable in the
chin department shown by his fights with Mayweather and Casamayor. I
think Morales would box his way to a decision against Diego, but I think
he should purge the demons of Barrera before taking the monumental step
up to lightweight. Morales could win titles all the way to middleweight
and the critics would still be asking questions because of his current
2-1 loss record to Barrera.
O.K, finally Pacquaio. What does Erik have to gain by taking on
Pac-man again?? There is no way that Pac will ever become a better
boxer than Morales, and the Mexican has already proven that he can take
Pacquaio's best shots, even when hit flush in the twelth round, off
balance and when his punch resistance would be at its lowest. O.K Nico,
I am going to turn southpaw myself now, despite being right handed, and
predict what reasons you will likely have in defence of Pac.
The Cut?? Erik was dominating before this happened and Pacquaio almost
looked more dangerous after it opened up due to his increasing
desperation.
The Gloves?? Freddie Roach really does talk a load of absolute crap at
times, seemingly forgetting that if Erik had worn Manny's preffered
choice of gloves, then he would have hit harder too and Erik turned out
to be the puncher in the fight and has the better chin too. The
Pacquiao camp shoud think before they let their bellies rumble. The
only justification for a rematch would have been if Manny had been able
to seriously hurt Erik, not only was unable to do that, but it was
Morales who was doing the greater damage to Manny,seemingly only being a
few punches away from getting a stoppage victory."
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Red: "Ok
Neil I heard you was pound for pound here but I aint no warm up so I’m
coming hard. I agree with you on Marquez. But even if JMM didn’t price
himself out it would still be a maximum risk-minimum reward type fight.
I like Morales but he steps up to 135 he will be walking in the lion’s
den. Morales only fights the best and Chico and Castillo are the best.
Can you imagine a natural 122 pounder going against Jose Luis Castillo
who is gonna come in weighing around 150 standing toe to toe like both
are known to do??? No way. Or Morales who was hurt badly by a light
hitting Jesus Chavez trading shots with one of the most fearsome
punchers in the game: Chico???? No way. Those fights should be out of
the question. So it comes down to two men MAB and Pacman. First off all
who says Barrera is gonna even fight Erik? Unlike Erik, Marco is more
known for fighting a big fight then a couple really winnable fights.
Erinque Sanchez, Tapia, Kelly and now Zana. Don’t get me wrong I’m not
knocking him at all. He is a great champion but Erik is like Tito. Big
fight after big fight. That’s why we love them. Marco would settle for
an easy bout because he can do it. He feels he deserves it. Erik just
doesn’t have that same mentality. He got that street mentality. Go hard
or don’t go at all. You are right a fourth fight with Barrera makes
sense but what if Erik loses???? He will be devastated.. Not his career
but his pride and ego. Right now he can fight Pac for great money and
knock out the man who knocked out his enemy. I totally agree with you on
the glove issue. A lot of BS. But 115-113 is still a close fight. Some
people had it 114-114. Plus Pac-Mania is still alive. They would pack up
any arena. Erik knows he can beat Pac-man. I don’t think Erik is too
sure he can beat Barrera. That last fight against MAB hurt him
emotionally.. A third loss means the man he hates will be remembered 3
times as the better fighter.. How would Erik feel about that?? If he
fights Pac and loses then what?? Another great trilogy."
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Wow! What an opening round! The staredown was even great! Neil comes
right out of the corner to meet Nito in the center of the ring! Neil
quickly applies the pressure, taking apart Morales' possibilities vs.
Castillo and Corrales. Nito counters right back. Both making a case for
those fights to be possibly down the line for Morales. Neil makes a
strong point that Corrales can be outboxed by a technician, but Nito
comes right back pointing out Corrales as one of the most "fearsome
punchers in the game". This is back and forth action right here!
Final minute of the round and Neil turns southpaw, mentioning Pacquiao
wont "become a better boxer than Morales" and takes apart the
"cut" and "gloves" issues. Nito see's an opening on the
southpawing Neil and lands a huge right hand: "Erik knows he can beat
Pac-man"'. Short, but a great comment in reply to Neil's. No, Pacman
wont be a better boxer than Morales, even if he does better in a
rematch, thought it's not expected as he gave his all and that was the
best Pacquiao has been. Knowing this, why not take the fight since it is
Fight Of The Year so far and Nito comments on
"Pac-Mania"
being "still alive". "They would pack up any arena.'"
Very true. For Manny to have been the favorite, it shows he has some
dedicated fans, many of which will believe in the cut and glove issues
no matter what, therefore they will believe in their fighter to win a
rematch. Morales winning once has the advantage with the confidence.
* 10-9 Round to Red * Great Round By Both,
One Of The Best!
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- Round 2 - |
Red:
"Ok Neil, I gonna
give some dap. You know your stuff. Before the main debate, we got a
debate within the debate and I gotta to put some perspective on it.
On Erik vs. Chico, Chico can be outboxed but Morales IS NO FLOYD
MAYWEATHER. Erik hits you and it seems like he expects to get hit
back. When have you seen Erik back out of a slugfest?? Floyd made
sure he didn’t get hit but Floyd is the best defensive fighter in
the game. Casamayor barely got out the first fight alive. A one arm,
light-hitting Jesus Chavez got in his licks and hurt Morales. If
you’re a Morales fan and he fights Chico be prepared to feel like
Freitas’s fans. Aint no way in hell Chico is not gonna hit him.
Chavez, Famouso, Chi, hell even guty Espadas and Paulie Ayala got
there hits in. Look at Erik after every fight. Do you real think he
can hit and not get hit against a man who hits harder than all those
guys combine?? Back to the matter at hand, Erik can go and fight
Pac for some good money, no make that great money and win. Still be
the man in Mexico. If he loses to Pacman. Ok so what then let’s do
this again for great money again. Still be the man in Mexico. Win
the third match for some great money. Still be the man in Mexico. Ok
lets says he fights Barrera and wins. 2-2. Still the man in Mexico
and gets his pride and redemption. Does a fifth fight to settle it.
NOW lets says he fights Barrera and LOSES. Man not even Tijuana can
say Mexico’s best fighter of there generation is Erik Morales. It
wont be half and half no more. Barrera is the man in Mexico. What
that means to Erik : HUMILATION. Don’t get me wrong a loss to
Barrera wont tarnish is future Hall of Fame status. But 2-1 on split
and majority decisions still leaves question marks but Barrera got
his hands up. 3-1 totally separates the two as WHO IS THE MAN AND
WHO IS NOT.
For the record I’m just using Mexico because they say Mexico is
split into Barrera Country and Morales Country."
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Blue:
"OK, my corner were upset at my switch
hitting, so I am now referring back to orthodox and am going to punish
you hard Nico for making some rudimentary errors. First off, whilst I
don’t want to waste too much time talking about Chico, the info you gave
seems central to your argument as you suggest that Chico should be
avoided in favour of taking an easier fight with Pacquaio. First off,
Morales gets involved in slugfests because he likes fighting that way,
and if you have noticed, generally gets involved when he knows the other
man cannot hurt him, such as against Chi, Hernandez and Ayala (not all
of the time mind, he mixes it up throughout in these fights). You are
blowing the Chavez fight well out of proportion, he was not hurt,
momentarily stopped in his tracks at the beginning of the first round.
Morales then almost decapitated Chavez with a monstrous right uppercut
and to this day is the only man to have Chavez down and VERY hurt. Even
your man Mayweather was unable to do that. Erik is hittable, he always
has been, but as shown against Pacquaio, when he boxes smart, he is an
exceptional fighter. Apart from the last round, he fought sensibly and
mixed it up with Pacquaio when he sensed the opportunity and hurt his
man. If he fights a similar fight against Corrales, he wins a decision
in my book. Remember Morales has a GRANITE chin, something Chico does
not, and technically Erik is much better than Corrales. When Diego
cannot hurt his man, he tends to run out of ideas, and was pretty
fortunate that his over-rated opponent, Freitas, ran out of steam
otherwise he would likely have lost that one. Morales’ stamina is not
in question. So I would rather see Erik move up to lightweight and
fight Corrales rather than take on Pacquaio, because even if he did
lose, there would be no shame in losing to a bigger man.
However, he has to deal with Barrera first. Morales is a
multi-millionaire and does not need the money Nito. He is out to fight
the best and is willing to take risks in order to satisfy his fans.
There is nothing to gain by beating Manny again, as everyone expects him
to do so anyway, and it will add very little to his legacy.
Incidentally, most of the press reports had Morales winning by a WIDER
margin than 115-113. The associated press at ringside scored the bout
116-112, the same as me, and many others had the score even wider, and
that’s including the fact that Morales handed the last round to Pacquaio
on a plate. No, Barrera is the only blight on his legacy and I would
think that a true warrior like Morales is willing to eye up the risk of
fighting Barrera again when looking at the possible rewards that may
come his way if he wins. Exactly what he did when choosing to fight
Pacquaio, because if he had lost that, after being recently beaten by
Barrera, he DEFINITELY would not have been the man in Mexico. If
Morales wins, the score in fights will be 2-2, but Morales will have
scored the better wins outside their contests, has not bean beaten by
anybody else unlike Barrera and is also more likely than Marco to win a
title at lightweight due to being naturally bigger than his Mexican
rival. Thus, the best fight out there for Morales, in terms of raising
his profile amongst the all-time greats is another contest with Barrera,
and at this stage of his career, its not about money its about pride and
achievements."
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The war continues right where it left off in round 1. Neil and Nito are
going at it and this is one hell of a fight. Nito comes right out of the
corner to see if Neil was hurt by that right hand. Nito lands a
combination: "Morales is no Floyd Mayweather", and the comments
on Morales not backing out of slugfests where on point. Nito describes
the possible Morales vs Corrales fight being an iffy decision with
uppercut precision and snaps Neils head up and out of his guard. Neil
comes right back with 2 huge left hooks, body then head, and Nito
staggers to the ropes: "no shame in losing to a bigger man".
Great comment. Everyone expected DeLaHoya to lose to Hopkins and there
was no shame in that loss either. That's the only loss Morales wouldn't
be docked for. Nito bounces off the ropes and tries the same right hand
from round 1: fighting Pacman for "great money", but misses. Neil
saw it coming and lands a combination on the inside mentioning Morales
doesn't need the money as he's the type of fighter who only wants the
big fights. Very true, why else did he pick Pacquiao? And here we have
Barrera fighting relatively easy Fana. Morales has never been one to
take a tune-up or easy fight and Neil pin points how a win over Barrera
next would be the best thing for Morales because of the "rewards".
If Morales did move up and beat either Castillo or Corrales, everyone
will always look down one weight and see Barrera as the man who got the
better of what would be called "the best man" at lightweight. Morales
wouldnt like that too much.
*10-9 Round to Blue * This is Back and
Forth Non-Stop Action!
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Blue: "Right, Nito, now that
marginal issues such as an ‘easier’ fight and money have been cast
aside, its now time to analyse the fight between ‘el terrible’ and ‘pacman’.
As you suggest this is Morales’ best option, I am going to exemplify,
that Pacquaio has next to no chance of beating Erik and thus would be a
waste of valuable time for Erik who does not need any more wars with
inferior opposition when there are so many more valuable career defining
fights out there for him. O.K, Pacquaio’s biggest problem- no jab.
Manny scored a pathetic 10% of jabs and honestly seemed to be just
flicking out his hand at times. How is he supposed to find his range
against a slippery customer like Morales with no jab, he cannot continue
to rely on lead left hooks. Whilst Pacquaio did land a decent amount of
punches, he did not land enough solid shots in a row and combinations
wise was outclassed. That is why Morales won so many of the close
rounds. Simply put, Manny does not have the variety of shots to trouble
Erik, whereas the Tijuana native can throw just about every shot in the
game to textbook standard. Also going backwards Manny has no defence
whatsoever, no head movement. He has natural head movement when coming
forward as he looks for the angles but when pushed backwards his head is
static. I give you the example of the massive overhand right unleashed
by Morales in the twelth round just before he turned southpaw. That
punch came from a long distance yet Manny did not even move. He does
not have defensive reflexes in the same way as his offence does and it
cost him against Morales. Pacquaio’s only chance was if he was able to
hurt Erik baldly, and after seeing his fight with Barrera I thought he
might have Morales in trouble a few times. But I think even I
underestimated just how tough Morales is. If he cannot hurt him then
Manny has next to no chance and thus, what is the point in having a
rematch when exactly the same outcome will happen as before, and people
will say, “yeah, we expected M
”, so it does nothing for his profile or pound-for-pound status.
Whereas a lot of people will pay to watch a rematch because of the
excitement of the first one, I think most in the know will predict a
comfortable Morales victory. Thus, as I stated before, Morales’ plans
lie with Barrera, a fight that takes on true meaning and can be
considered a ‘pick-em’ fight from the word go. Just like Manny Vs
Marquez and Morales, I think after a decent start you are running out of
steam Nito."
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Red: "Ok
Neil, first of all I want the editors to sign me and you up for a Chico
vs. Morales fight. We got some unfinished business… Now Neil man you
making it seem like Erik just destroyed Manny. So what if he landed 10 %
of his jabs…. Erik had every advantage you can think of(just like you
had in this argument). Naturally bigger and stronger. Manny came to his
weight. Manny had him hurt the last round. Badly. I mean we talking
about Erik here. He gave Guty Espadas a rematch and it was on PPV. Neil
it was close fight. I had it 115-113. Some people had closer, some had
it wider. But it was a close fight and Manny had him badly hurt in the
12. I mean some say Judah got his rematch just cause of the 12th
round against Spinks and look what happened there. I’m not saying Manny
can beat Erik. Matter of fact I think Erik can knock Manny out. This
will bring him a lot closer to Barrera even if there isn’t a fourth
fight. The Pound for Pound status of all 3 is tricky when Erik beat Pac
but Pac beat MAB who beat Erik. I don’t know how to equate that. You
take it in a fan’s perspective. Of course the fans want to see Morales
and Barrera a fourth time. I am thinking like Erik’s management. Do they
want to see there fighter win a big fight or lose a big fight. Cause he
can beat Pacman easily if he wanted too,
but he cant beat Barrera.
So is Bob Arum gonna let his prized possession risk humiliation if he
loses to his hated rival or does he want to see Erik win. I mean Erik
and Manny put on a great show. Why not do it again. Hey I think they the
odd makers were insane for making Pac a favorite but make no mistake
about it he was in the fight. At 126 the roles might be reversed. You
making it seem like he walked right through Manny. He didn’t. Maybe Pac
cant beat Erik on Erik’s worst night. But I’d pay to watch it again."
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Neil begins round 3 with a strong jab and describes the rematch being a
waste of Morales' time as there are more career defining fights out
there for him. Very true. Neil's jab stays on the mark, however he
leaves it out too long and Nito counters with a power right hand on the
chin. Neil spends too much time on why Pacquiao is inferior to Morales
and pin points all the mistakes Pacman makes, slightly disregarding that
their fight was action packed enough to demand a rematch from the public
alone. Nito's counter was Morales giving "Guty Espadas a rematch",
which was right on the mark. Espadas may have fared better than Pacquiao
did vs Morales in his 1st fight, but since then he steadily declined and
lost 2 bouts in between their first fight and rematch so that fight
wasnt really "career defining" for Morales.
*10-9 Round to Red * Neil gets a warning
from the referee for an incomplete sentence, a problem that cost him a
point in a previous fight.
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red: "Ok,
last round. I think you are a little to high on Morales. Yes he won the
fight. He did not just steam roll over Manny. Erik is tough but he tends
to fight to his opponents level. I think Pac should be given a lot of
credit for fighting how he did. It was his first time at 130. You and
the editors agreed that Pacman couldn’t get any better. I think we will
have too see. It was his first time at that weight and it was a big
fight. He hurt Morales . That’s all Manny needs. Jabs? Who Cares. Manny
is a power puncher. So that’s the stat they gonna look at. I believe
Erik is gonna give Manny a rematch. Barrera had a real easy time with
Zana and he is not the type to jump into a big fight without two or
three gimmies. Erik on the other hand jumps into big fight after big
fight. With Chico and Castillo fighting each other and JMM scheduled to
fight Polo. I think Manny is the choice to go. Big money, big name, big
WIN. Fight Barrera
and could probably see his 3rd loss and a little
embarrassment. The fourth round is tough. It’s hard not to restate stuff
in the previous. Bottom line is im thinking like Erik’s management. I
rather see my fighter win and make some money then lose and make some
money. When it comes to MAB, Erik just cant seem to get focus. He goes
in there to knock him out and ends up getting outclassed….."
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Blue:
"Nito, your comments in round three
have allowed me to spot some real weaknesses in your make-up which I now
plan to exploit in this final round, still fresh and full of energy.
You seem to completely negate Manny's poor jab percentage, the most
crucial attribute in an offensive attack when you reach the top level.
This is why he was unable to get his shots off against Marquez and
Barrera, they saw his firepower coming, and regularly missed the mark.
The jab is key to setting up his opponent, and even Freddie Roach
admitted that Pacquaio's jab was non-existent. Whilst he used the right
a little more against Morales, it was not particularly effective. Do
you seriously believe Manny can win a rematch against Erik Morales,
lacking those attributes?? Oh sorry, that's right, you don't, you
expect Erik to knock him out!! The only reason Erik got tagged in the
twelth was because he changed to a southpaw stance, no need for that and
I doubt someone with his experience would try that again. Even still,
did you see him doing a funny dance, or rolling about the canvas or
hanging on for dear life?? Hell no!! Manny is a power-puncher
according to you, but as it turned out Morales was the puncher in the
fight!! Spinks-Judah was a completely different scenario, ever heard of
the term styles make fights?? Spinks was all over the place in the
twelth of the first fight and is pretty much feather fisted. The
question in the rematch was whether Spinks could dance his way to
victory or if Zab could get close enough to land the shots on Spinks'
vulnerable chin. Spinks-Judah is hardly commensurate to a Morales-Pacquaio
rematch.
Also, through my experience of fan-fights, and a regular observer, it
would seem you have fallen into the trap that has caught out so many in
the past, that of running out of steam and trying to re-arrange the
question to suit your own needs. In this case you have tried to turn
the debate into: In the view of Erik Morales' management team, should
Morales fight Pacquaio or Barrera etc....Even then you don't do a
particularly good job. Erik's management team are paid to get Erik the
fights HE wants. Not what makes them the most money. Maybe you should
have changed the question to what HBO wants, as I am sure they would
love a rematch based on the PPV figures which narrowly exceeded
Barrera-Morales III.
The reason Morales fought Guty Espadas Jr again, this time at
super-feather, was because it was an eliminator bout for the WBC title,
the belt Morales always seeks out in all his weight divisions!!! Next
comes your most outrageous comment of all; "He cant beat Barrera", in
bold and underlined!! You have not produced a scrap of evidence to back
up this claim. Did you see the decision after the first fight?? Seemed
to me like Erik got his hand raised, and the second fight was a robbery
in my eyes, Morales controlled the pace and tempo of that fight, landed
the cleaner and more hurtful blows and was denied a stone-wall knockdown
by incompetent refereeing. And though the third fight was Morales'
worst of the trilogy, the outcome was still very close and could have
gone either way. To say that Morales was OUTCLASSED by Barrera, is a
huge overstatement. His win over Pacquaio, considering Barrera's
mauling at the hands of the Philippino would suggest ample more evidence
that Morales is capable of beating Barrera in a fourth fight.
OK, you have basically repeated your comments over and over again in the
last two rounds and your only argument for a rematch with Pacquaio is
because Erik is guaranteed a victory. If this is the case Nito,
genuinely, what would be the point then?? Everyone expects Morales to
win a rematch and thus another victory will do nothing for his legacy.
There is one blight on his record, Barrera, and thus that is the obvious
step for him to take and erase that blight. You say the roles might be
reversed for Pacman at 126, there is no way Erik is moving back DOWN to
feather, he already just about kills himself to make 130.
I admitted that many of the rounds were close in their fight on March
19, but Morales was doing enough to win them and thus I do not feel I am
going overboard for Morales. I have stated the attributes that Manny
lacks and stated those which Erik has in abundance, and unless a miracle
happens overnight, Pacquaio will never have the tools to beat the
Mexican. Thus an argument for a rematch is completely invalidated as we
have already established that Erik Morales does not fight for money or
easy wins, but instead thrives on the thrills of challenges and proving
that he is an all-time great to the Mexican people and the outside
world."
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Nito begins the Final round with a huge left hook to the body and in
short combinations, breaks down Morals vs Pacquiao II with some great
comments. Pointing out this was his 1st fight up a weightclass could be
key. Most fighters move up in weight is tricky, sometimes it turns out
to be the worst move. Shane Mosley struggled with Wilfredo Rivera in his
1st move up, skipping a whole weightclass, then went on to beat DeLaHoya
2 fights later.
Neil makes a good counter about the reason Morales took on Espadas,
however, Morales is also known to fight the top opposition and not just
for the belt as one good example shows he gave up the IBF belt he won
from Hernandez for the 3rd fight vs Barrera.
Nito lands hard by pointing out how Morales loses focus when it comes to
Barrera: "He goes in there to knock him out". Morales did that vs
Pacquiao in maybe 3 of the rounds they fought. The rest of them Morales
used his skills to break Pacquiao down. If Morales stayed focused like
that he'd win every time vs Barrera, but Nito's Morales out of focus
comment is right on the mark. He truly hates Barrera.
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* Ladies and Gentlemen, Before
We Read The Scores, Please Give These Two Warriors a Round Of Applause
For What Has Been 4 Rounds Of Back And Forth Action And A Candidate For
"Fan Fight Of The Year" .
The Final Score Is...........39 to 37.........Your Winner........
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttttoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Nito, this was your Fan Fight Debut and you take down one of the top 3.
How did you do it and what are your next plans?
Nito:
Neil you tried
hard to KO me. It wasn’t happening.. I respected you through out the
fan fight. Gave you your props. Just give me the same. Anytime, any
topic, we can do it again.
Neil, an upset this week. Tell us what happened and where do you go
from here?
Neil1690: Are
you genuinely serious?? Perhaps the biggest robbery in fan-fight
history has just occurred and a federal investigation should be
imminent. Nito was out on his feet the last two rounds, with the
occasional good point well and truly countered. I was the only one
making any decent points and could have gone 15 rounds on this subject.
Where do I go from here?? Probably nowhere, seems I have been
denigrated to journeyman status, and with decisions like that, I will
probably continue at that level!!!
Biggest robbery since James Toney decisioned Dave Tiberi.
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Fan Fight March 28-April 3:
"Miguel Cotto: Ready To Take Them All, or Ready To
Take a Fall?" |
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Result at Time Of Stoppage: Blue:
27,
Red: 30
Enzo Macaroni TKO
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KidKO |
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Blue Corner:
KidKO505 (Fan Fight Debut) -
Cotto's Ready! -
Red Corner:
Enzo Macaroni (2-3, 2 KO) - Cotto's Not Ready! |
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Blue:
"Cotto is ready for the 140 lbs. elite why? Ill tell you why, Cotto
is one of those rare young boxers who I think seems to have it all.
He has every punch in the book great, fast jab, jarring uppercut and
of course the cracking left hook. He throws all of these punches
with wicked intent to the head and body. In addition to all of that
he has perfect balance to go along with his tight multi-layered
defense. Hes 24 and shows excelent maturity for his age, unlike some
people at that age (Zab Judah). He also has enough speed and
movement to avoid getting caught. I know youre gonna bring up the
fight with Chop Chop when Cotto got clipped on the top of his head
and was stunned for a few seconds, but lets remember that Mayweather
was also stunned by a Corley right hand in the 4th round of their
fight. Speaking of Mayweather Cotto was also more inpressive in
defeating Victoriano Sosa than Mayeather was."
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Red: "There is no doubting
Cotto's talent, he has the potential to be a superstar in the
future. But this is the strongest division in boxing, and as Cotto is so
young what would be the point in throwing him in now with the vastly
more experienced Tszyu, Gatti or Mayweather? Even Witter, Mitchell,
Hatton and Harris would, in my opinion, give him all he could handle,
powerful guys who are too dangerous at this point. He's good, but he
does not have it all. Against Pinto he showed he's easy to hit, and
I'd never describe him as speedy, in fact, from what I've seen he's
quite the opposite. A tightly-held guard, a good punch and a solid
stance are all well and good, but if you give the guy angles he opens
up. He's fortunate Pinto was even easier to hit and has little balance,
because Kelson won a couple of rounds in their fight but got
overexcited and tagged 2-3 times on the way to a TKO loss. And Corley
was very, very unlucky in their fight, and in better shape when he was
stopped than Cotto had been in earlier in the bout. If Corley gives him
trouble, the power of Tszyu would take his head off! He's good, a
possible great in the future, but not yet. He's had a good learning
curve and beaten some good guys so far, but above him in the rankings
are men in the p4p top 20, with the possible exclusion of the deceptive
Harris, so he's better off feeding on challengers like Abdulaev for now.
A loss at this point could prove demoralising, and difficult to bounce
back from....and a loss it would be if he faced the cream of the
aforementioned crop."
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Big round here. Lots of action, made it seem short. Good start by KidKO
in relating Cotto's experience with Corley to Floyd's. Indeed, this is
boxing and it happens to the best of them one day or another. Enzo
bounces right back and makes some good points about not putting Cotto in
with the creme of the crop just yet as it is harder to bounce back from
to the younger guys than it is for the guys who are already at the top.
If youre already at the top, you know the path to get there. If youve
never been at the top and fall off track getting there, then you appear
to need help to get back on track as you might not know the right path.
*10-9 Round to Red * Good close round!
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Red: "I'll concentrate for a
moment on Cotto's career so far, concentrating solely on the question in
hand - "Ready for them ALL, or ready to take a fall?"
And as I've mentioned previously, the answer is a definitive NO. Cotto's
career has been beautifully guided by Bob Arum, who's hand-picked a
series of challengers who posed a slight threat and would stick around
for 5-6 rounds, maybe more, but who really stood little chance of
beating such a talented boxer.
Starting with the likes of Justin Juuko, John Brown, and a fading Cesar
Bazan, who, in particular, is a big name on the CV, but against a
phenomenon like Cotto, was merely a stepping stone. Lovemore N'dou has
proved he's no big puncher (ask Junior Witter) and is basically a
strong, tough opponent who'll stay the course and make life difficult,
but only has one or two gears and, like Pinto, is erratic.
Sure, Pinto was undefeated when they met, but he looked like a rabbit
caught in the headlights, and with a Puerto Rican crowd behind him,
Cotto beat him convincingly, knocking him down three times. But Pinto,
despite being a puncher, showed he's merely a decent boxer with a dodgy
temperament.
Bailey and Corley are the latest, and arguably most impressive names,
but both are past their best, and when looking at THEM ALL, as the
question states, you're looking at the boxers I mentioned previously -
Gatti,
Mayweather and Tszyu for starters.
Cotto, besides going a long way with Bazan, seems to TKO his men in the
middle rounds, and there's no way he'd do that with guys like this. His
come forward style is made for the new Gatti, Mayweather is far too
quick
for him, a reinvigorated Tszyu punches too hard, Hatton would give him
too many angles but probably lose on a cut, and Sharmba Mitchell would
go the distance. Only Tzsyu and Mayweather have the ability to do what
Tszyu did and whoop Mitchell's a** in style.
Cotto should, and will fight, guys around the top 10-15 for another 12
months, then he's be in with the big guns, and even when that happens
he'll lose unless he polishes the rough edges - namely his
susceptibility to hooks and the fact he often switches off and becomes
complacent. you can't switch off against the top names."
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Blue:
"Ok
you made some good points, but let me start off by saying yes,
ealier in his career Bob Arum threw him in with blown up
lightweights most noteworthy Cesar Bazan. But Cotto was recovering
from a shoulder injury that he sustained in a car crash so he was
still trying to get his fill. Second thing is that Lovemore NDou
gave Mitchell all kinds of trouble just prior to facing Cotto, in
fact the Ring magazine tabbed the Mitchell - Ndou fight 114-114.Now
lets move on to the biggest point of this topic and thats can a
young fighter come back from a crushing defeat to a top guy? I think
its a 50-50 shot,lets remember Lennox Lewis bounced back from what
should have been a career crushing kayo loss to McCall, and went on
to become arguably a top 5 Heavyweight of all time. I mean whos
kidding who if your young enough, hungry enough and have enough
heart you can bounce back from a huge loss.I honestly do not think
we will see Cotto in the ring with the likes of Tszyu,Mayweather and
Gatti not because hes not ready or not because hes scared but,
because of his weight. If you have noticed Cotto has been coming in
as a junior middle weight, which is telling me that hes dehydrating
himself before the weigh in and then blowing up until the fight.I
think within a year or so nature will take its course and he will
become a welterweght."
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Another good round here. This is boxer vs Puncher at the moment as Enzo
is using his footwork and jab as KidKO is looking for the big knockout.
KidKO makes a good point that Cotto was thrown in with blow up
lightweights, "most noteworthy Cesar Bazan", but Enzo was able to dodge
the bomb and comes back with an overhand right, brining up that it was a
"fading Cesar Bazan". On the mark. KidKO brings up NDou who gave
Mitchell "all kinds of trouble" and yes, he was a very tough opponent
for Cotto who may have given Cotto more trouble than Mitchell, narrowly
escaping with the win on any real scorecard.
However, KidKO doesnt mention anything about the Cotto vs. NDou fight
here and expresses just a bit more on Mitchell vs. NDou. That may have
lost him this close round.
* 10-9 Round to Red *
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Blue:
Look I'm not saying Cotto can beat the very best in the division,
all im saying is that hes ready to fight any of them. I mean who
else can he face thats not a has been or a fringe contender the only
one I can think of is Mitchell.But beating Mitchell would kinda seem
like a moot point because Tszyu already destroyed him.Ricky Hatton
is getting his title shot this summer now would almost everybody
agree that Cotto has beaten much better opposition than "The Hit
Man"? Hold on I got a scenario for you lets say by some miracle
chance Hatton defeats Tszyu in the summer and Hatton chooses to
fight Cotto then dont you think Cotto could be Jr Welterweight
Champion of the World? Then and just maybe then you will see hes
ready for the best."
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Red: "By saying it's a 50-50
shot, you secured me a draw in this fan fight, but you then go on to
admit it'll take a year or so for him to be ready, which only reinforced
my argument that this is not the right time for him to face the
best. And then you say: "Look I'm not saying Cotto can beat the very
best in the division" - which pretty much means surrender. What would be
the point in such a talented man fighting them if he's not going to beat
them? And knowing this, at such a point in his career, he obviously has
to improve, would obviously have to come back from a loss and this, at
such an early stage in his promising career, would be detrimental.
Mitchell is not the only fringe contendor, there is Hatton, Spadofora,
,Witter, and M'baye to name but four, and beating Mitchell would not be
moot because he's been among the top 3/4 in this weight division for
almost a decade. And then you suggest Hatton beats Tszyu and Cotto gets
a shot, and then Cotto beats Hatton? In my humble opinion, Tzsyu ranks
alongside Hopkins as best p4p fighter in the world, so
you're disregarding his dominance after slating Hatton's previous
opponents and then saying Ricky beats him? This is not about whether
Cotto is ready in the future, it's about whether he's ready NOW. He's
not the finished article, has never been in a war, been rocked when
tagged on the chin, has a basic style which needs tuning-up, has slow
footwork, opens up if you show him angles, is inexperienced compared to
the men I've mentioned, and has been well-guided. He is a potential
superstar, will be a future top 10 p4p fighter, but that's 2/3 years
down the line. His progress so far reminds me of Naseem Hamed's, feeding
on faded fighters (Johnson, Vasquez, Bungu etc) and then when he's
stepped up he's been found out and had to rely on power, which did
not work against Barrera, and led to close fights with the likes of
Cesar Soto and Manuel Medina, which did little for reputation."
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As Enzo takes the 1st two rounds, the fight begins to turn a little one
sided here as the obvious tiring KidKO guns for his one big shot to end
it. Enzo begins to take apart the tiring KidKO, countering his wide
punches. The referee looking close! KidKO is staggered by a huge right
hand at the end of the round and walks to the wrong corner.
* 10-9 Round to Red * almost a 10-8
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red: "In conclusion. Well, what
to say? I feel I've covered many of the points important to my side of
the argument: Cotto's hand-picked opponents, weaknesses in his style,
and relative inexperience - so what next?
I guess all that's left is to discuss THEM ALL, and what a bunch we have
here. I'll just concentrate on the big 3. Gatti is a reinvigorated boxer
under Buddy McGirt, as he showed in the second Ward fight. He has power,
has seen EVERYTHING in the game, would easily last the distance with
Cotto, has stamina, superb footwork and class. He is a warrior and would
beat Cotto, probably on points. Mayweather is an altogether different
proposition, a quick-footed banger who would, given Cotto's reaction to
being hit by Corley, knock him out in
the middle rounds. Miguel does not have the ring savvy to work him out -
yet. Tszyu would crush him, though I like Cotto's temperament and think
he'd come to fight, like with Pinto. He never looks nervous, but would
need 3-4 gameplans against Tzsyu, and at the moment he only knows one.
I'm not going to go back over old ground. Cotto is good, not great,
whereas the guys above him are among THE best in the world today."
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Blue:
"ok in conclusion the big three as You mentioned. Gatti is better
than he was a few years ago but, hes a rejuvinated punching bag what
I mean by that is hes just one cut or one knockdown away from
slugging it out in the trenches, you know thats another thing I
wanted to talk about maybe we can have a fan fight on Arturo
Gatti.He is so overated yeah thats what I said Im so sick of every
telling me how good he is lets take a look at his 6 fights he lost a
close fight to Ward then beat him senseless in the next to fights
but remember Ward had 11 lossess prior to fighting Gatti.Then he
takes on some obscure fighter named bronco fallowing that
"impressive" victory he took on a pudgy,blown up lightweight in
Dorin and big surprise beat him. In his last start beat that
dinosaur Jesse James I know I strayed away from the topic of Cotto
and I apolgize for that I figured I would lose n e way but give me
credit I defended Cotto when no One else would because they didnt
want to lose. But I will be back stronger than ever.I would like to
thank Boxing 2005, the fans and Enzo Macaroni it was a hell of a
fight. later guys"
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Enzo comes out in the final round to finish where he left off in round
3. He comes right in as KidKO is off balance and swinging wildly. He
appears to not know where he is at the moment, taking apart Arturo Gatti
in a Miguel Cotto topic. KidKO turns his back and Enzo lands a hook
around him that staggers KidKo once again. Enzo not the biggest puncher,
but manages to catch KidKO flush with his hands down and
Dooooooooooooooooown He Goooooooooooes!
He's up on 6, but there really isn't any need for this to go on as Enzo
has won every preceding round and the referee jumps in to stop the fight
and that's it, it's all over!
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End In The 4th And
Final Round. The Referee Has Seen Enough At :47 Of The 4th And Final
Round, Your Winner By TKO...Ennnzooooooo Maaacccaaarooonniiiiiiiiiii!!!! |
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Enzo, your back with a bang after losing continuous bouts to Necko and
Neil. What are your plans from here and are you looking for rematches,
one which may include a fight you were winning vs. All Red Gloria?
Enzo Macaroni:
I'd like to fight Gloria again, because
my record should read 4-2 (pesky ankle!).
Hats off to KidKO, he came and fought hard and showed respect, which
is unusual in these Fan Fights.
I hope he comes back and gets off the mark, but for now I'm 3-3 and
hungry for another crack at the champ, soon. I just hope he'll fight
me at middleweight!!
KidKO, stopped in the final round of
what was a gallant effort, will you be back and how soon?
KidKO:
Ill be
back on fan fights by summer |
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