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I.F.F.B.C
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J. G.
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June
2005's Fan
Fights:
Jay vs. KO Artist (June 20-26)
Mossa vs. Ken_Flo (June 13-19)
Nito vs. Hot Head (June 6-12)
Jay vs. YouGoDown
(May 30-June 5) |
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Fan Fight
(June 20-26):
"Who Would Win
The Rematch: Barrera vs. Pacquiao?" |
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Final
Result: Blue: 38,
Red: 39
Jay W 4 KO
Artist |
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Blue Corner:
KO Artist (1-0) - Barrera Would Win
Red Corner:
Jay (1-0, 1 KO) - Pacquiao Would Win |
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-Round 1 - |
Blue: "There are a few reasons
why I think Barrera will beat Pacquiao in a rematch. One he had a lot of
problems going into the fight. He had to leave his camp early because of
the fires that were going on in Big Bear. The fire was probably weighing
on his mind while he was in camp. He was in San Antonio two weeks early
because of it. Second he had recently parted ways with his longtime
promoter and manger. On top of that they released information about the
surgery he had a few years back and the metal plate in his head. Before
the fight aired HBO aired an interview with him where they discussed it.
At the end of the interview Merchant asked him if he thought all of this
things would affect him. Normally fighters just say no and that
they'll be 100% but Barrera was honest and said maybe a little. Well I
think it was a lot. Barrera was not himself that night. He was very
aggressive in the 1st round which was a little unusual for Barrera being
that he had boxed a lot more in his recent fights especially against
southpaws. After that first round,
which turned out to be his best round of the fight, Pacman started to
take over. Barrera wasn't doing anything. He wasn't using his beautiful
jab, not moving his head, had no foot work, nothing. Where was
that beautiful left hook that knockout Ayala a few months later and the
left uppercut that was smashing
Morales's face a few months after that. Anyone who knows Barrera knows
he's not scared of a fight but
when Pac has attacking Barrera just covered up and got beat. I was
watching this and asking myself, "Who is
this guy and what did he do with the real Barrera?" In round seven when
they butted heads and Barrera got cut it looked like Barrera wanted to
quit. WHAT? That should be enough evidence that Barrera was not himself.
When in his 15+ year career has Barrera ever even hinted that he might
want to quit? In the rematch
Barrera would use his jab, foot work and left hook to beat Pacquiao. Not
to mention that Pacquaio has been
exposed in recent fights but we'll save that for round 2 if your still
around."
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Red:
"Ok you make good points but I don’t think their all that valid. I
don’t see the how the surgery information effected the outcome of
the fight. You said the surgery was a couple years back but if it
did affect him, why wouldn’t it in the rematch? I would understand
if the surgeries were a couple months before the fight but they were
a couple years before the fight so if he wasn’t all set by then,
he’s probably not all set now. Sure he was man enough to admit it
but the fact remain the damage is highly likely to still be their if
it was their then. Yet any evidence of this damage would probably be
disproved by his next couple fights (Ayala, Morales, Fana)
Why wasn’t Barrera using his beautiful
jab or seemed awkward? Because he was either frustrated or scared by
Pacqiuao, I don’t know which. Barrera was having problems fighting
his fight because Pacquiao has a frustrating style that is hard to
deal with. The Barrera that showed up was a guy who was fighting a
fight he knew he would lose. He wanted to quit because he felt
hopeless that why.
And Pacquiao has been exposed? He lost
to Morales in a great war but I don’t see how you consider that
being exposed. So your theory was a good try but I think your point
wouldn’t matter at all in the rematch because Barrera would get
frustrated again and lose in similar fashion."
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Round 1 gets underway and WOW, what a round! The two go right at each
other and trade shots at the center of the ring. KO Artist, inactive
since February, comes right out shooting straight right hands trying to
make a statement. Pin pointing the many possibilities that frustrated
and got Barrera out of focus in the first fight with Pacquiao was spot
on. Jay showing a strong chin here delivers a counter right of his own
over the top of Artist's punch that lands flush. Jay's counter in
mentioning Barrera's surgeries that were brought up in an interview
before the fight took place "were a couple years before the fight so
if he wasn’t all set by then, he’s probably not all set now.". Very
good counter. It was a bit odd that they decided to bring it up at that
point, whether they recently found out about it or not, why was it
affecting Barrera that night only? KO Artist comes right back in
detailing Barrera's most commonly used punches. Jay willing to trade
again, countering with the fact that Pacquiao has a "frustrating syle".
That's enough to get even the best out of their fight plan at times. 10
seconds left in the round and KO Artists lands a quick and sneaky left
hook to the body then dodging out of the way from anything Jay might
counter with, mentioning there's more where that came from in round 2.
Jay chases him down and gets in the final shot, great counter in
mentioning the Morales fight was a war and no so much Pacquiao being
exposed. The bell sounds and the referee has to jump in to separate the
2.
* 10-10 Round * WHAT A ROUND!
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- Round 2 - |
Red:
"We all know boxing is never predictable. We all know that in this
sport, just because boxer A beats boxer B and B beats C; doesn’t
mean A will beat C. C could very well give A a boxing lesson. Let’s
take Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, and Ken Norton for example.
Muhammad Ali. Ali LOST a split decision and got a broken Jaw for
good measures. The rematch was a win but another split decision.
Norton fought Foreman and got Knocked out in the 2 round after being
down 3 times!! Yet we all know Ali pulled a win off against Foreman.
There are hundreds off cases like this so you have to admit KO
artist, that styles make fights.
Ok well here’s my point on this.
Barrera besides losing 2 Morales, lost to Junior Jones(twice) and
Pacqiuao. Morales stopped Junior Jones in the fourth while Barrera
couldn’t beat him. Pacqiauo beat Barrera in the 11th yet
Morales won a UD over Manny. SO why did Morales lose two out of
three? Because of Style and emotion. Barrera’s style gives Morales
much trouble but Pacqiauo is perfectly fine fighting Barrera’s
style.
Now for the emotional part. I truly
believe Morales should have been able to win all three of those
fights but I think when he fights Barrera, he lets his emotions get
the best of him. He has such an intense rivalry with Barrera that I
think he has punishing Barrera on his mind that coming away with the
win. You see Morales come in more than normal in those fights and
you see a lot more slugging from Morales then normal. This is
because in the three fights, he fought with his heart, not his head.
Someone who is a boxer over a brawler should NOT do this and stick
to boxing. But Pacqiauo doesn’t have the mental block that Morales
has when fighting Barrera. Mind over matter that’s all it is.
And u though I wouldn’t be standing and
round 2. HAHA"
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Blue:
"Well maybe I should have been more clear.
I didn't mean that the actual surgery affected Barrera more that the
stress about everybody knowing and him now having to confront it
affected him. That's why there was no evidence of it in his next few
fights, in which Barrera looked like he usually does. Barrera is not at
all the type of fighter that fights knowing he is going to lose like you
said. He never quits. The truth
is he was not all there. His preparation wasn't great and his head was
not in the game.
Barrera scared of Pacquiao! Are you kidding? I agree that Pac was
frustrating him but if Barrera was all
there then he would have found a way. Barrera being frustrated still
doesn't explain to me why he wasn't
fighting back. Barrera's been in plenty of wars and he never stops
fighting. In the last round of third
Morales fight Barrera was exhausted but he went out and fought back
every second of the round.
Sure styles make fights. Barrera probably has Morales's number and Jones
had Barrera's number but
when your dominated like that by somebody who can be described as one
dimensional there something else
going on.
Your better that i expected but the outcome of me with the win will
remain the same."
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Jay starts of round 2 with a stiff jab, detailing the A+B doesnt always
= C scenario with precision. KO Artist jabs back and counters well in
mentioning Barrera more "frustrated" than scared of Pacquiao.
Again, Jay gets in the 1st shot and appears to be controlling this round
with the jab alone. Spot on stuff about the emotional process the
fighters go through which could trigger the reason why they win/lose
rather than just their styles. And that's true, Pacquiao does NOT have
the "mental block Morales has when fighting Barrera".
* 10-9 Round to Red *
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Blue:
"In the very next fight that Barrera fought
after Pacquiao was against Ayala. Ayala is a southpaw and a busy
fighter. That's when we got to see the real Barrera back in the ring. He
was jabbing beautifully,
using his foot work and most importantly actually fighting. He was
stepping to the side and making Ayala
miss with the straight left and catching it with his right hand. He was
landing that left hook to the body
that eventually knocked Ayala out. I know Ayala is no Pacquiao but my
observation is with Barrera. Barrera
threw 444 jabs in that fight that lasted only 10 rounds. That's more
than 40 jabs a round. Where were
these jabs in the Pacquiao fight? At the end of ten rounds Barrera threw
a total of 775 punches. At the
end of the Pacquiao fight which went a round longer he only throw 547
punches. That's over 200 punches less in a fight that lasted a round
longer. His power punching total against Pac was 262. That means he only
threw 285 jabs. That's a little more than half he threw against Ayala.
This is enough evidence to show
that Barrera was not himself. All fighters eventually have an off night
and this was Barrera's"
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Red:
"That was some nice number crunching
but all that does is help prove my point that Barrera was frustrated
with Pacquiao. Barrera did not let his punches go because of fear
(or more like out of caution) of getting hit by Pacqiuao. You even
admit that Ayala is no Pacquiao so if you want your reason for
Barrera’s number’s, their you go. Barrera did not have an off night;
he just couldn’t mount anything against Pacman. If they had more
than one fight with each other before and the numbers were that
different, I would understand what you’re saying. But with Ayala it
was a different night and a different fight. DO you think it just
coincidence that Barrera had his off night against one of, if not
the most intense fighters he has ever faced?
Barrera wasn’t having an off night,
Pacquiao was GIVING him and off night. IF they fight again, Barrera
would have another off night, simple as that."
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10-9 Round To Red *
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red:
"Ok I don’t know what else needs to be said. The points have been
proven. Pacman frustrates Barrera and Barrera didn’t know how to
act. The final numbers reinforce my point. I did forget though u
said in Round 1 that Barrera was very aggressive in the first round,
and then he went into his shell and got the “one dimensional
beating”. That is another thing that proves my point. Barrera
probably had the best round in the 1st so why wouldn’t he
stick to being aggressive?? Things went bad after that but if Pacman
wasn’t giving him trouble then why did he stop his first round
assault?? If he had an off night that first round never would have
happened. Pacman was just too much.
And how would pressure about people
KNOWING about the surgery hurt him???
Well Good fight Good night"
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Blue:
"You keep saying that you think Barrera
feared Pac. Thats ridicules! Barrera has had plenty of other
oppenents that were more dangerous (Hamed, Morales,etc) Pacquiao is the
most intense fighter
Barrera has ever faced? Not sure about that either. In their first fight
Morales was one of the intense men
in the sport and Barrera held his own and probably should have won. The
first round proves my point. Barrera looked good but after that he went
into a shell. When in Barrera's career has he won the first
round then stopped fighting. Never! We have never seen it because
Barrera had not had an off night till that
point. Barrera has been frustrauted with fighters before but never
completlty stopped fighting. There is
a reason why we have a phase like, "off night" because it happens all
the time in boxing and this was Barrera's.
Pacquiao has also looked very one-dimentional latley. After the first
round in the Marquez fight Juan was
using his jab and foot work to avoid Mannys left. Juan keeped ducking to
the right and Manny's left hand
would fly over his shoulder then they'd get tied up. Your telling me
Juan has a better jab and foot work
than Barrera or that Barrera is in capable of moving to his right when
Pacquiao loads up with his left? That's another thing Pac loads up with
his left and you can see it coming. If he misses he is completely off
balance and open for a counter right. Juan was doing it all night.
Pacquiao never tried anything different. In the Morales fight Manny was
doing the same thing. He depends to heavily on his left hand. Morales
was landing the left hook on Manny which is normally difficult with a
southpaw. Your telling me Morales has a better left hook than Barrera?
Your telling me Barrera can't watch these tapes and figure out a
strategy to defeat Manny after how exposed he looked? Of course he
could. If they fought again Barrera would pump the jab, move his feet
and duck the left hand and counter it with a right all night long.
Pacquiao would look as one dimensional has he always does.
Good Fight!"
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The FINAL Round here and Jay with the lead. All he has to do is stay out
of harms way and he's got it. KO Artist comes out with the urgency,
looks like he knows he's down on points and may need a knockout to win
this one. Jay constantly jabbing and moving. KO leaps in with a left
hook that lands flush on the chin and JAYYYYYYYY IS IN TROUBLE! Jay
staggers to the ropes. KO comes in with all combinations, trying to
finish strong. Jay looks tired now. A hook to the body and Jay covers
up. He looks seriously hurt here as he circles the ring to stay away. KO
trying to finish him. Jay still moving and taking shots. Jay staggers
again to the ropes, but he just wont go down. KO Artist bringing it on a
little to late here as he appears tired himself, but what heart by both
men. Jay holding his hands in the air as the 10 second mark is heard. Ko
Artist leaps in with one last shot that lands at the bell and that's it!
Ding Ding!
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, Before We Read The Scores, Please Give These Two
Men A Round Of Applause In What Was One Heated, Back And Forth War From
The Beginning To The End.
The Final Score Reads, 39 to 38, To The Winner. . .
JJJJJJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
Jay, you showed some real skills in there,
but got a little careless in the final round.
What did you get out of this fight?
Jay:
KO, what a fight. You almost had him.
Where do you go from here and do you want a rematch?
KO Artist:
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Fan Fight (June
13-19):
"Can
Hatton Beat The Winner Of Mayweather vs. Gatti?" |
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Final Result: Blue:
39,
Red: 38
Mossa W 4
Ken_Flo |
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Blue Corner: Mossa (Fan Fight Debut) - Yes
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Red Corner:
Ken_Flo (Fan Fight Debut) - No - |
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Blue: "Ok lets get Started. Im
my Opinion Hatton can beat Gatti & Mayweather & here is why. I openly
admit that Gatti would be the easier fight out the 2 & I dont see Hatton
having many problems against Gatti at all. Styles make fights & in my
opinion Hatton has better speed/ hand speed/work rate/chin. The only
advantage I would give Gatti is that he may have slighter better single
punch power but Hatton could take Tzysu punches so dont see gatti's
power as a problem. Gatti was dropped by a body punch against Ward &
several times looked in trouble in their first fight by body shots,
imagine how Hatton would exploit this as his world class body punches
rammed home. Gatti has shown new boxing skills lately but these were
against fading fighters like Leija & ward. Against Branco Gatti was made
to struggle and Branco is knowhere near the level hatton is at. I do
give Gatti credit though he is a warrier & would take the fight to
Hatton but the classy shots & relentless punches would make Hatton a
clear winner. Mayweather
would be a different fight completely. Mayweather is an increible boxer
with brilliant skills & defence. The factor that i belive would make
Hatton win is far superior strengh & his relentless attacks. Mayweather
will never have fought anyone who is as strong as Hatton & Mayweather
is still relatively new to this divison. In his 2 fights at 140lb i
haven't seen evidence that Mayweather is completely comfortable at this
weight. Corely was able to back Mayweather up & hurt him. Hatton would
have to adapt similar tactics to his Tzsyu victory and try & back
Maywaether on the ropes & rough him up & i could see him breaking
Mayweather's spirit in a similar fashion to how he did Tzsyu. Im fully
aware Hatton would not dominate this fight from start to fininsh & would
lose rounds but i believe Hatton would be able to use his superior
strengh & superb conditioning to win the fight in the last few rounds by
either decision or KO. Ive never seen Tzsyu backed up on the ropes &
fight anyone stronger than him until he fought Hatton, imagine how
Hatton could bully Mayweather."
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Red: "Okay you made some good
points...But some of the statments you made were false...you said that
you never seen Tszyu get backed up into the ropes like that...well with
his fight with Vince Phillips...he got backed into the ropes and got
Ko'd..anyway I just wanted to point that out..Okay I'm not gonna defend
Gatti because I know he won't beat Mayweather "thats a whole diffrent
Topic" Mayweather will win this fight based on his Expierience in the
ring He's got great hand speed and he can avoid taking a punch...Hatton
just rushes in and just starts swinging wildy if he does that to Pretty
Boy Floyd..he's not gonna win..Floyd would just counter his punches all
night long...I saw that you mentioned the fight Ricky had with
Kostya..Yes he did look very impressive in that fight...but he left
himself open a lot..which Floyd will take advantage of...Remember Floyd
has faster hands then Kostya..and has excellent foot work..He would be
able move around the ring and land swift combinations on Hatton...If you
really think about Ricky Hatton hasn't really fought anyone good
...except for Kostya..Floyd Mayweather has fought the best like ..Diego
Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Carlos Alberto Hernandez,
Angel Manfredy and Genaro Hernand..and he beat all of them..now lets
look at Hattons opponets..A past his prime Vince Phillips, Ben Tackie
who is an okay fighter, Kostya Tszyu.."who wasn't his normal self in
his fight with Hatton.." and thats about it..Whose boxing resume looks
better? Hatton has never fought anyone like Floyd and he will be
suprized when he sees Floyd foot work..hand speed, great defence "better
then Kostyas I might add.." and excellent foot work..with all of those
great Boxing Qualities that Floyd has..he will be able to beat Ricky
Hatton."
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Round 1 underway and already off to a quick start. Mossa solidifies his
ground, shooting out the jab to land 1st. A very strong jab with a tight
defense. Mossa breaks down each fight (Hatton vs. Gatti & vs. Floyd)
specifically, short and sweet. Great comments and acknowledgements of
each fighter. Ken_Flo trying to open up on Mossa, working the body with
hooks. A nice counter over the top by Ken_Flo lands: "Vince Phillips".
Mossa makes a good comment that Floyd hasn't been in the ring with
anyone as "strong & relentless" as Hatton. Ken_Flo names "Corrales,
Jesus Chavez and Castillo", who all are known for for being relentless
bull type fighters, however, Mossa's point was clearer being that Floyd
would be fighting Hatton at 140, relatively new to Floyd since those
fights were down a class where Floyd appeared most comfortable, so far.
* 10-10 Round * - Great action by both, very close round!
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Red:
"Okay in Addition..Mayweather knows how to
use the ring..it's not like he's gonna be just standing in front of
Hatton the whole night...yes Ricky is a stronger opponet then
Mayweather..he is gonna be charging him like a bull the whole
night...But since when did Floyd ever fight to keep someone off of him?
Did Cory Spinks have anything to keep Mayorga off of him? Let's not
forget Hatton's style was perfect for Kostya Tszyu and actually I think
his performance was awful considering Tszyu was getting in solid
shots..Considering Hatton's style and Kostya's age the fight should not
have even been that close..and up untill the low blow it was even..Now
that I think about it...Floyd/Hatton would be like Oscar/Trinidad..Hatton
would be the agressor while Floyd backpedals racking up the points to a
decision win..Also..Floyd Mayweather won Fighter of the year honors in
1998..has Hatton ever accomplished anything like that...No! Because he's
been fighting C level and B level opponets most of his career..THE ONLY
WAY RICKY CAN WIN THIS FIGHT IS IF THEY FIGHT IN ENGLAND .."
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Blue: "You
made some good points in round 1 but have made some points in round 2 i
dont agree with at all. You said"Considering Hatton's style and
Kostya's age the fight should not have even been that close..and up
untill the low blow it was even" so you expect someone of
Kosta's quality to be completely dominated for 11 rounds this in my
opinion not possible and an insult to Tszyu. This was not an old or shot
Tszyu, Hatton had his worst ever success rate (punches thrown to
landed). So if Kosta's "age" affected him he was still able to avoid
more punches than anyone of Hattons opponments up to now & Kosta was
still outlanded in the fight. I agree that Floyd has faster hands than
Tszyu but Tszyu has a far superior punch & i believe Mayweather's power
wouldnt affect Hatton & Hatton would be able to break him down by
fighthing on the inside. You
state that Mayweather has fought better opponments & overall i would
agree on this but looking at the 2 lists, i would say Kosta is this best
opponment on either list. Hatton has proved doubters wrong a few times
now by showing he has a boxing brain as well as skills and finds the
correct tactics to win. I seem to remember mayweather struggling
against Castillo and belive me Hatton is better & more powerful than
Castillo."
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Round 2 and the fighters meet at the center of the ring once again.
Ken_Flo comes out throwing straight right hands. "Did Cory Spinks have
anything to keep Mayorga off of him?", this was a good comparison of
Floyd vs. Hatton, however, mentioning DeLaHoya vs. Trinidad leaves an
opening for Mossa as although DeLaHoya racked up some points, the fight
was won by Trinidad, in a very close fight that could have gone either
way. The Mayweather struggling against Castillo is a great comment
brought up by Mossa which could of used more depth and power behind that
punch, but it just wasn't enough to win another close round.
*10-9 Round to Red *
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Blue: "To add to what i said
last round, in my opinion Mayweather has never been in a war. He has
been toe to toe with opponments (Ndou etc) but these are not in Hatton's
class and have knowhere near the strengh off Hatton. Mayweather will be
forced to go to the trenches which he has never done before, he will be
shocked and will find out what a strong 140lb fighter is all about.
Mayweather will be using the ring but Hatton is as good a body puncher
as there is & this is the way to slow an opponment down. In mentioning
Spinks v Mayorga i presume you are comparing Mayorga to Hatton. Hatton
is a completely different fighter who is able to adapt to a fight &
while not always pretty knows how to get the result.
I grant you that apart from Tszyu,
Hattons list of opponments is not marvelous but he has now proven he
does not freeze on the big stage and can beat world class fighters. In
my opinion you need more than boxing skills to beat Hatton, you need a
huge punch along with superb boxing skills & i dont think Mayweather has
that big punch. Hatton would be very difficult to beat on points as his
workrate is so extreme, in fact Hatton (apart from Mcghee & Tszyu has
dominated all his fights & he is at his peak now."
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Red:
"Okay you made some good comments ...You
mentioned that Floyd struggled against Jose Luis Castillo...which you
failed to mention in that fight was that Floyd injured his left arm on a
heavy bag two days before and wasn't able to throw it that much in that
fight..and when his left arm healed he wen't back and fought Castillo
and beat him with no Controversy..He showed he was the better fighter in
the second fight...You also mentioned Mayweather's fight with Chop Chop
Corley...Yes he did stun him and back him up a little...but that was
only because Floyd stood and traded with him "He wouldnt do that with
Hatton"...but let me ask you this...Who was dominating the fight before
the 4th round? Who controlled the fight after the 4th round? Floyd had a
pretty easy time with Corley..he even droped him twice and outboxed him
with no problem so I don't know why you mentioned that fight..."
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The action continues in round 3. Mossa comes right out at Ken_Flo who
appears to be tiring just a bit. Mossa makes good points about
Mayweather not being in a "war" type fight yet, which described
exactly the type of style Hatton will try and bring. Ken_Flo spot on
with the Floyd vs Castillo comments and how the rematch "showed he
was the better fighter". Ken_Flo backs himself into a corner
however in mentioning Corley "stunned" Floyd in their fight,
despite being dominant throughout the fight. Corley is a light hitter
and to be stunned by him and fighting opponents with higher KO ratio's,
they'll for sure to take that into consideration and act upon it.
*10-9 Round to Blue *
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red:
"In conclusion Ricky Hatton is one
dimensional he only knows how to fight one way..and that is
charging you like a bull..and swinging wildy..I have seen a lot
of his fights and he is very sloppy..But he has gotten away with
it because he's fought weak competion his whole boxing
career..Floyd Mayweather on the other hand can beat you in many
ways...He can jab and move..He can throw combinations and get
out of the way before you land anything..he could also go toe to
toe with you...and he can just go out there and completley
dominate you...and besides Floyd has beaten every person that
was noteworthy in the lower weight divisons..and he has more
expierience when it comes to big fights like this one would
be..and every semi-big fight Hatton has been in..it has been in
England..What is Hatton gonna do when 20,000 people are not
cheering for him?..Floyd has excellent defesnsive skills..he's
gonna be sticking his jab in Hattons face all night..and your
right Floyd has never been in a war...before and yes Hatton will
try to make it one if they fight...But Floyd has stoped that
Task before..and he can do it again..
Floyd Mayweather has never been
down in his career and he's fought some hard punchers in his
time...But Ricky Hatton has tasted the canvas..he wen't down
against little known Eamonn Magee...Eamonn.. knocked him down in
the first round..and Magee was able to cut him...All i'm trying
to say here is..Hatton can be beat and I think Floyd is the guy
that can beat him..Just remember Hatton has never fought someone
who is as good as Floyd Mayweather..so keep that in mind...and
Thank you for having me..Peace out.."
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Blue: "Your point about Hatton
being 1 dimensional is incorrect, you say you have seen many Hatton
fights but it doesnt sound like you have seen his fight against Tackie.
Hatton was able to completely outbox Tackie & not lose a round on 2
judges scorecards. Don't get me wrong Tackie is no Mayweather but it
shows Hatton has more to his game than just "charing like a bull &
swinging wildy". Your correct that Eamonn did floor Hatton but this was
a younger Hatton who didnt have a defence, his defence is now a lot
better & he has proved this by not being Knocked down since even though
fighting bigger punchers. The way to beat Mayweather would not be to try
& KO him with 1 punch ( as his defence is too good) but to throw many
punches, slow him down & break his spirit. In my opinion this is perfect
for Hatton, who is a master at these tactics.
You say that Mayweather has more big
fight experience than Hatton, this i wouldn't agree with. I would say
they both have a lot of big fights. Hatton has been in some huge fights
ie Mcghee (local rivalry), Phillips & Tszyu & these were all with the
expectation of the nation, as Hatton was/is our main fighter in the UK.
Hatton is a mature young man who is like a man possesed in the boxing
ring & im sure fighting in the States wouldnt affect him as his stated
he wants to fight there at some point. We know that Hatton can fight a
war but we dont know Mayweather can & believe me at some point in this
fight, hatton would make this a war & slow down the less powerfull
Mayweather."
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, Before We Read The Scorecards, Lets Give These 2
Men A Round Of Applause For What Was An Action Packed Fan Fight.
The Final Score is, 39 to 38, To Your Winner. . .
Mooooooossssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! |
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Mossa, a good, close fight.
What was the key going into that final round that you think won you the
fight?
Mossa:
Ken_Flo, do you think you deserved the
victory in this fight and will you be back?
Ken_Flo:
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Fan Fight (June
6-12):
"Who Wins:
James Toney vs. Mike Tyson?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
10,
Red: 9
Nito TKO 2
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Blue Corner:
Nito (2-1, 1 KO)-
James Toney
Red Corner: Hot Head (Fan Fight Debut) -
Mike Tyson |
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Blue: "Ok
lets get started. Toney vs. Tyson. I think right now Toney is the best
skilled heavyweight right now. That doesn’t necessarily mean he is the
best. Honestly Id pick the overrated Vitali to beat him just cause he is
just to big and strong compared to Toney. But Tyson that’s a different
story. Tyson has been so inactive. His number of rounds almost equals
his number of years presently. Plus he is old and slow. Yeah Danny
Williams got lucky but after the first 2 rounds Tyson was slowing down
anyway. Slow down against James Toney and he is gonna pot-shot all night
long. All James has to do is stay elusive in the first couple of rounds
which is his kinda fight..Tyson will follow James throwing big shots
while his tank is full. 3rd round his tank will be empty and
he will get popped by right hand after right hand. Toney can fight his
regular fight. He has the speed and a wonderful defense. Tyson gets
tired even if some one is in front of him taking his shots so you can
imagine what angles Toney is gonna give him. Tyson will swing, miss, and
get countered easily. Late rounds he will be too tired and ready to quit
on his stool. We might be talking about how this fight might go if it
happen but do you thing Tyson will put him against Toney. Hell No.
Actually I don’t see him fighting any of the champions. So you can look
for Tyson to fight the Kevin McBrides of the division until he gets his
money up. Don’t get me wrong im not a Tyson hater. I hopes he gets out
of debt. But as a boxing realist, I see Tyson fighting the bottom tier
of heavyweight until his retirement."
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Red: "Toneys Fat ass barely beat
Ruiz who is the sorriest fighter on the frikkin planet. You cant dream
up of a worse champion, let alone fighter. Ruiz sucks ass and Toney
barely won. He didnt even win, it was a no contest cuz his ass is too
dumb enough to realise he should have stopped taken whatever drugs he
was taken to turn up for the biggest fight of his life. I dont mean he
barely beat Ruiz cuz Ruzi was doin good, Im saying thats as good as
Toney is. The scores werent too close, but close enough that Ruiz did
won some rounds and for being the sorriest boxer that even sorry ass
Golota beat and was robbed against. Toney won, then lost(the no
contest). Roy Jones did better vs Ruiz and he aint even as big as
Toney's fat ass. so all that said, just shows how weak Toney really is.
Sure you can name top and elite fighters he's fought and beat, or lost
to at middleweight. Sure. thats fine. he lost to Jones, so what, it was
at middle when they fiought. he aint fought no elite at heavy. Evander
way past his best and what a sad fight that was. Jirov was the most
elite fighter Toney has fought at sihc a big weight and I think Jirov
was robbed in that one too. ok ok, it was close I give u that, maybe
Toney won because of the knockdown, but thats Jirov. No defense and
Toney won that fight by a point or 2 at most. Tyson is all abouit
defense when he gets inside. no he's not that tyson of old and we aint
gonna get that tyson ever again, but its still a damn good tyson if ya
ask me. Dont even mention the williams fight. You can clearly see
Tyson's knee give up and his face grimmace in pain. no shots were ebing
thrown, it wasnt laste in the fight, so this wasnt no tyson givin up.
Tyson vs Toney will be a nightmare for Toney. Toney wont be abale to
take the body shot. everyone will be thinking about toney's headmovement
vs tysons uppercuts and hooks to the head, but what counts is tysons
hooks to the body. toney may have great upperbody movement, but his body
isnt in top shape and once hit in the gut by a tyson blow, say
goodnight."
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Nito and HotHead meet at the center of the ring and the start throwing
shots right off the bat. Nito having the edge on experience pays off as
he's able to block and duck most of HotHeads haymackers. Short, sweet
and right to the point by Nito in round 1. HotHead willing to trade and
does a little bit of rough housing to try and get Nito out of his fight
plan. Some nice shots by HotHead, but Nito landing first every time for
the moment.
* 10-9 Round To Blue * Good Round
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Red: "what? that shouldve been a
10-7 round for me! what are ya gonna do huh? ok, back to my un observed
butt whoopin here. Tyson never lost to a fighter who was willing to
stand a trade. Those who were became victims of the 1st round KO. Toney
will be the same. Toney sint a slick all over the ring boxer. He has a
good defense for upperbody only, thats good vs the tall fighters. toney
used to move around at middle, but at heavy he's flatfooted and stand
right infront of you. thats not the way to beat tyson, thats the way to
take a dive, or fight into tyson's plan, which is KO. Toney cant take a
clean tyson shot, we all know that. im telling you, one of tysons gut
shots will forcefully make toney shit his trunks and possibly all over
the canvas."
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Blue:
"Ok,
enough is enough. Time to finish you. What the hell are talking about??
Tyson never lost to a fighter who was willing to stand and trade!!!
HOLYFEILD. No great fighter would have lost to Buster Douglas or Danny
Williams. You are obviously a Tyson fanatic. Shocking News. Danny
Williams stood in front of Tyson and traded. Danny Williams did his
part. Played the human punching bag and Tyson still couldn’t get rid of
him. Dog you can say what you want about Ruiz but he has done WAY MORE
than Tyson is the last couple years. He is in better shape than Tyson,
has fought WAY BETTER competition than Tyson. A lot of heavyweights
would rather fight Tyson than fight Ruiz. So when you say Ruiz is the
sorriest heavyweight , its not helping your view of Tyson at all. Back
to Toney, you say he is fat and his stomach but he can go 12 rounds
anytime and usually gets better as the fight goes on. He banks on that.
Tyson can go 2 rounds, 3 at most before he is spent. James is gonna
trade with Tyson.? No way. Tyson is gonna have to work to get in some
shots.. Toney is not gonna sit there and be pounded. He is gonna
counter, counter, and counter. That tat on Tyson face just makes it
target practice. TYSON IS DONE. Look at the promo for the McBride fight.
Its barely about the actually fight. It’s more about the
unpredictability of Tyson and what will happen next. Dog Tyson just as
shot as Holyfield. Difference is Tyson is can punch, sell tickets, needs
money, and is willing to knock out as many Kevin McBrides as he can.
Holyfeild is not a big seller, cant punch, and wants to fight the Top of
the heap. Yeah Toney stands in there. So does Winky Wright(Shout out to
Necko who schooled me.lol.) as you can see both there defenses are the
best in game along with Floyd. But he barely gets tagged with a clean
shot. He gets hit but hardly ever with a solid clean punch. You say
toney has never fought someone Tyson. Well Tyson has never fought any
one if close to the speed and skill of Toney."
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HotHead comes out swinging wildly to begin round 2. He begins to tap his
own chin, taunting Nito to hit him. Nito obliges with a straight right
hand flush on the chin and DOOOOOWWWWWWWNNN GOOOOOOOOOEEESSSSSSSS
HOTHEAD! He gets up on 2 and immediately falls back to the canvas. Up on
4 and he falls again. The referee is looking close. HotHead up on 8 and
the ref asks him to take a step forward. The fight resumes and Nito
jumps right in on a back pedaling HotHead who buries himself in the
corner. Nito landing at will now and a flush uppercut sends HotHead's
head out of his guard as his legs buckle. Nito takes 2 steps back and
watches HotHead fall face first into the canvas. The referee doesn't
even count as he waves this one off and it's all over, here in round 2.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End. Following 2
Knockdowns The Referee Has Wavied This One Off At :47 Of Ther
Second Round. You Winner By TKO, He's Back. . .
NIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Nito, you're back following the close
decision loss at the hands of Neckodeemus. What are your plans from here?
Nito:
It was a good solid
win..just letting everyone know im still here….
HotHead, give us your take on what your
strategy was and why it failed?
HotHead:
Ok, I can be man
enough now after seeing McBride win that Tyson has no chance vs
anyonw now, but i do kow that Toney wouldnt stand a chance against
Tyson in prime, or the one before Lewis.
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Fan Fight
(May 30-June 5):
"Who Has The Best Chance At Unifying The
Heavyweight Titles:
Vitali Klitschko, Chris Byrd, John Ruiz, James Toney, or Lamon Brewster?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
20,
Red: 18
Jay TKO 3
YouGoDown |
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Blue Corner:
Jay (Fan Fight Debut) - Vitali Klitschko
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Red Corner:
YouGoDown (Fan Fight Debut) - Lamon Brewster -
Guest Judge: Neckodeemus |
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Blue:
"O.K. Lets
face it the heavyweight division has seen better days. But you've
got to work with what you got and if theirs going to be one man to
unify the division, Vitali Klitscho is going to be the one to do it.
Why? Simply because of, who else? Lets look at the opposition.
James Toney-Everyone praised him after
the Ruiz fight but why? All he did was lean back and throw a right.
Sure it's something Rahman couldn't do but it was nothing
impressive. Toney couldn't do that shit against Vitali's long and
effective jab. Toney would be forced to fight on the inside but
Vitali is just to strong for Toney. And even if Toney won any of the
rounds, his wind is nothing compared to Vitali's who would have him
panting by the eigth round.
Byrd-Simply to small. Vitali would
corner him and Byrd would try to be slick but Vitali once again has
incredible strength. I believe Mcline won maybe three or four rounds
against Byrd by using his size and power. But Mcline ran out of gas.
Vitali wouldn't run out(or atleast not nearly as fast as Mcline)Byrd
would be using his speed, but Vitali could simply WALK through
Byrd's punches and finish him off.
Ruiz-Can't even begin on this one.
Brewster- Brewster just hasn't shown
what it takes to beat Vitali. Despite being considered crude, Vitali
does posses some decent boxing skills. Brewster has two notable
wins( three if you consider Kali Meehan notable). But they didn't
show that Brewster had what it takes. His win over Golota was
shocking but didn't prove anything. Brewster was smart enough to
realize that the 37 year old Golota would not be prepared to go to
war in the first round and simply took advantage of that. Anyone
could have gone out and throw that many punches and caught Golota
off guard. And if you consider his win over Wladmir as any
indication of things to come, well look at Corrie Sanders.
Anyone else is either still a question
mark(Peters,Brock, etc) or has had their shot(Rahman,Sanders) so who
else is out their to stop Vitali? NO ONE."
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Red: "dude, dont know why
everyone likes that vitali guy. imagine if that fight he had with byrd
was a unification match for the wbc and ibf. he already lost that one,
so how could he change second go round? hes a big goofy styled
fighter(not lance, but now that i think of it, sure, theyre both big,
tall dopey typed fighters that get tired after 3 rounds because theyre
just too big). as i was saying, you discredit toney, yet as fat as he is
or will ever get, he doesnt get tired. that fool can go like 15 rounds
and do himself good working out with ruiz, or even vitali. he doesnt
quit, i dont approve of the drug stuff, but there's no doubting he's a
good fighter as a heavyweight, especially in the gllom the division is
currently in. byrd? ha, wlad beat him, need i say more? first it was
'you got beat by michael grant?', but now it's 'damn, u lost to wladamir?'.
thats the truth. byrd also lost to golota but they scored it a draw and
kept byrd the titlist. then you have brewster. didnt i just say golota
beat byrd? didnt golota beat ruiz too? yes he did, but same thing again,
he got jobbed of the win and ruiz was still a titlist. so imagine that,
golota beat ruiz and byrd, has the ibf and wba titles and along comes
this spider, who sat down right beside her, and ko'd in 1. brewster
already being the wbo champ should have the wbo, ibf and wba right now.
granted you picked the lone fighter brewster hasnt beat, but also the
lone title brewster doesnt have. so you basically have a unified champ
in brewster, minus 1 single belt. ok, it's possible a vitali vs brewster
fight could be good. could be great for all we know, but that just shows
who we both picked as the best chance to unify. brewster and vitali,
however, i'd pick toney and byrd to beat vitali, the fact is, brewster
should have 3 belts and on his way the final one which vitali currently
holds. hopefully vitali wont spill his curds and whey when brewster
lands that left hook."
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I go for the corner arguing Vitali as he presented his case better and
although the
opposite corner made some good points he neglected Brewster a little in
favor of Toney.
All in all, Jay's argument one was concise and made clearer
points...even convincing this Vitali skeptic to give it its props.
* 10- 9 Round to Blue *
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Red: "well now, i wasnt given
much credit for the facts i brought up concerning golota beating byrd
and ruiz then losing to brewster in 1 which should actually have
qualified brewster as a unified champ minus the one belt vitali holds.
remember that word 'holds', because he's only holding on to it.
take a look at the relentless ones record and you will see he is back.
the brewster that gets things down is back. not this lackluster,
unmotivitaed, out of shape brewster we have seen in the past. that's the
one that 1st lost to etienne, then to shufford. only 2 loses, by
decision have you. but before that, you see a string of quick ko's,
mostly in the 1st round. he was similar to tyson when he first began and
if anyone is anywhere near what tyson used to be, even if it's half as
good, then thats who will take over. tyson owned everyone in the 80's
and brester was on his way to doing so, yet there was no 'cus' to help
him along the way. no kevin rooney, but they all cant have it the same
way, so brewster had to learn from his mistakes. and get this, he wasnt
even in shape or motivated in alot of his wins. i mean he beat wlad
while he was out of shape. that says alot. it's similar to toney in a
way that they both can be just good enough in shape and in the mindset
to get things done at times. brewster has been more out of shap than
toney since toney is a real middleweight and brewster is a natural
heavy. that means brewster has to work 3-5 times harder, yet he's still
got the job done and won a wbo belt. the best of brewster is yet to come
and the gllota 1st round tko is evidence of that. thats the brewster
that's motivated and comes out to kill. no heavyweight currently has
this monsterous edge in him. none at all. toney talks alot, but thats
not a monster, thats just an attention getter. vitali is big like one,
but deep down he's and intelligent nice guy. ruiz? dont get me started
just as you said in round 1. and byrd? andother lil nice guy. brewster
is a nice guy out of the ring, but in it we see he can turn into the
monseter we all want as a heavyweight champ. thats what tyson used to
have, thats what all great heavies have. we just needed him to turn it
on. well now it's on and the monster in brewster is out and there's no
escape."
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Blue:
"You claim you weren’t given much credit for bringing up the facts
in the Golota/Byrd, Golota/Ruiz fights. But the facts are that the
judges saw it differently and Brewster doesn’t have three of the
belts. Complaining about it won’t change anything, especially since
were not here to debate Golota’s past couple fights. Besides if you
look in boxing history, there are plenty of “bum” heavyweight title
fight decisions that change who is champion and who isn’t.
You say Brewster is back but you also
admit to their being a “lazy, unmotivated, out of shape” Brewster.
How do you know which Brewster will show up in his next fight? Which
Brewster will show up to fight Vitali, Byrd, or Ruiz? WE DON’T KNOW.
You then started comparing Brewster to
a Tyson without Cus. Brewster is not near what Tyson was.
Pre-Douglas Tyson would never have lost to Etienne or Shufford.
Brewster also doesn’t have Cus so thing will be harder for him and
at 31, he’s running out of time. And Tyson lost it mentally, how do
we know Brewster won’t… OO wait we’ve already seen that Brewster can
come into fight unprepared. Not to mention the aurora and fear of
Tyson isn’t their because of the two losses.
You stated Brewster learned from his
mistakes…ANY BOXER SHOULD LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES!!
How do you figure that Brewster has to
work 3-5 times harder then Toney? They both have to be in shape to
go 15 rounds no matter what weight their at or what their natural
weight is. And being in better shape then Toney is nothing special
considering the gut he had in his last fight. Also if the out of
shape Brewster shows up, he got get seriously hurt or beat by
someone with less skills then him. And if you compare Brewster’s
general fitness to Vitali’s; Vitali takes the cake in this catergory.
You saw Vitali is a nice and
intelligent guy. OF course he is, he does speak five languages but
that doesn’t change the fact that he takes care of business in the
ring and that’s what counts. And that’s what Vitali has in store for
the heavyweight division!"
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Ok Yougodown didn't learn
from his mistake in round one and still went down the if/bit/maybe
road, he then goes onto shoot himself in the foot by bringing up the
fact Brewster is unpredictable! By doing this he backs himself into
a corner here,
"You say Brewster is back but you also
admit to their being a “lazy, unmotivated, out of shape” Brewster.
How do you know which Brewster will show up in his next fight? Which
Brewster will show up to fight Vitali, Byrd, or Ruiz? WE DON’T
KNOW."
Jay is on point bringing
this up and although Vitali lacks unpredictability this is a good
thing as you know what you are getting. With Brewster you don't and
Yougodown is laboring this point to his opponents advantage. Then
the Tyson comparison jumps up and bites You on the Ass as a peak
Tyson wouldn't have lost to the fighters Brewster lost to. All in
all a strong round for Jay but he has to be careful as Yougodown
gets in a good one with the remark about Golota being taken out in
one showing a monster lurking in Brewster, good point that Yougodown
should have built on. Strong round for Blue. Red needs to get
focused in there.
*10-9 Round To
Blue
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Blue:
"I’ve got a question to everyone. How many people though anything of
Brewster before his KO of Golota? He was a no one until that fight.
Just look at the predictions on this website: 6 out of 34 people
picked Brewster to win. That a large statement in itself. Remember,
Brewster has two losses to Shufford and Etienne who are not the in
the elite class; even in the heavyweight division. These losses are
big question marks in Brewster’s talent and career.
Now let’s look at the win category. The
three that stick out are Kali Meehan, Wladmir Klitschko, and Andrew
Golota. Kali Meehan shouldn’t even be recognized because he hasn’t
had a win over any body that’s even close to being a contender. And
sure Brewster walked away with the W but it was a split decision.
Now normally I say a win is a win no matter how it is done but you
seem to be pushing Brewster as some sort of Knockout machine. If he
is, how come he couldn’t do to Meehan what Rahman did? Anyone who
saw that fight saw that Rahman took him apart in the fourth round
while Meehan lay helplessly on the ropes. What prevented Brewster
from doing this seeing how you consider him “the next Tyson.” IF
Brewster truly was a knockout machine, he would have had the KO or a
TKO.
Wladmir lost to Brewster and Sanders.
He is still on a downward style. This win isn’t saying much. Wladmir
didn’t even look impressive in beating Castillo so nothing is being
resolved hear. Sure Wladmir is a quality fighter but he isn’t the
best right now (that job is his brothers)
Now for the Big one; Golota. This win
is being considered more then it is. Yes Brewster came out to fight
and won but he did what any other heavyweight could have done had
they used their heads. Golota is a slow starter and at age 37, he
wouldn’t be able to handle a first round war. Brewster knew this and
came out and threw a lot of punches but what heavyweight can’t go
out their and throw some hard punches for a mere minute? Anybody
could have done what Brewster did. Brewster didn’t show some
tremendous boxing skills or stamina. The fight wasn’t some display
of brilliant talent that was unbelievable. All that happened is
Brewster caught Golota off guard and got an easy KO. Does anyone
believe that Brewster could do that to Vitali, Byrd, Barrett Rahman,
or any other contender out their? No because they all would be
prepared in case that did happen. So Brewster would be stuck from
their and have no were to go except down.
Face it, before Golota no one believed
in Brewster and this win was nothing more than a quick shock that
surprised his opponent but nothing more than this."
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An Abrupt End As
YouGoDown Decides To Take A Knee After Jay's 3rd Round Opening And
Decided That He Has Had Enough. The IFFBC Rules J. G. The Winner By TKO.
Jay, strong win in your Fan Fight Debut,
what's to come, and what can we expect from you?
Jay:
You can expect me to go
after J.G. to take his title away!
YouGoDown, you made some valid points and werent totally dominated
even though the scores show otherwise. What are your thoughts and
where do you go from here?
YouGoDown:
ill
be back, and ill beat every last one of you. muaaaahahahahahahahah,
brewster will ko klitschko, mark my words
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