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J. G.
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May
2005's Fan
Fights:
J.G. vs. Neil1690 (May 23-29) Championship Fan
Fight
Neil1690 vs. Rust Oleum (May 16-22) Championship
Fan Fight
Neckodeemus vs. Hookercut (May 9-15)
Neckodeemus vs. Nito
(May 2-15) |
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Fan Fight (May
23-29): I.F.F.B.C. Championship Fan
Fight
"Vivian
Harris: if given the chance would he beat the 140lb best
or is he just
another tough contender who always falls just short?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
10,
Red: 9
J. G. W Tech.
Dec. 1 Neil1690 |
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Blue Corner:
J. G.
(Fan Fight Debut) -
Harris Will Beat The 140lb Best
Red Corner: Neil1690 I.F.F.B.C. Champion (4-2, 2 KO's) -
Harris Will Fall Short
Judges: "Threat"(Ref), "The Beast", "Jr. Middle" |
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Blue: "Hi Neil, Ive read the
most of your fights and first things first, good luck.
The Viscious Vivian Harris. Whats to doubt? He's the WBA Jr.
Welterweight champ. He's in an elite division with the likes of Tszyu,
Gatti, up and coming Cotto, Mayweather of course is the main guy there.
Just below you got Corrales and Castillo, and just above you got Judah,
Spinks and Margarito. He's right int he middle of it all and his time to
prove himself is a coming. Although he's already done some good work in
his career, but he isnt a household name because everyone ducks him.
He's only got one loss and thats understandable. It was at a time he was
immature, a bit cocky, he was being shown on USA and ESPN quite often
and that helped him get a big head. The loss helped him more than hurt
him. The draw with Ivan Robinson right after was a complete joke. The 3
judges had him winning, yet some strange rule where the ref could score
the fight made it a majority draw. Big deal, since then he's been just
amazing. I mean, fights I thought would be tough, or possible losses,
turned out one sided. Golden Johnson, that guys tought as nails, Mosley
took 7 rounds to beat him, Ben Tackie went the distance with him, but
Harris scores a TKO in 3. The came Hurtado. I thought Hurtado was going
to win, but he got clocked and it was over in TWO! Right after that he
takes on undefeated Souleymane M'Baye, who by the way has been 4-0 since
and I belive wants a rematch with the Harris. The he took on Urkal
twice, IN HIS HOMETIMWN TWICE. Here's a guy that almost beat Tszyu and
Harris drops him in the 1st fight, then TKO's him in the rematch. A guy
who stood right infront of Tszyu and took his best shots. Harris put him
away. Just from those past fights, against top opposition, it shows he
has power and speed and the matureness. Floyd being the main guy in the
division lacks this. He's way out of control and sooner or later it will
bite him in the ass. He doesnt know how to cope with defeat. Harris has
and has been even better than when he 1st began. I presume Floyd would
be the same once he loses and gets taught a lesson. Already that's
comparing Harris against the main guy in the division. Ok, you got Tszyu
who may be the other main guy, but he';s retiring soon and Im sure he'll
only want to fight the big names now and sad to say Harris isnt one of
them, but that means Tszyu will be gone and Harris will still have a few
more years of fights in him. Gatti is on his way out soon too, so that
basically leavs just Harris, Floyd and Cotto in that division. From
Cotto's last fight, it's no wonder they wont fight Harris. Harris is
faster than Corley and for sure hits 10 times harder, so Cotto vs Harris
would look alot like the way Cintron vs Margarito looked. Harris is this
close to landing that big name opponent and from his previsous fights
against top guys liek Urkal and Hurtado, fighters Floyd wouldnt dare
take on, I'd pick Harris to win. Floyd fought bruseles, whats that
prepare Floyd for? Harris will already be ready for the top guy after
facing another top guy, Floyd wont because he will have just finished
beating either a bum, or someone unworthy of the fight, like Gatti."
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Red:
"Alright, nice to actually get an opponent
who wants to fight unlike last week's farce with that idiot Oleum. O.K,
Vicious Vivian, something of an enigma, will never ever be the top guy
in the 140lbs division for many reasons, many of which are not
necessarily his fault. You have actually made many of my points for me.
The only thing Harris has is a title, and you are correct, Tszyu only
wants big fights and this is exactly the reason why he will remain no.1
in the division for the next couple of years. I am suprised that you
have chosen Mayweather to be the main man in the division despite
stating that his win over Bruseles meant absolutely nothing which I
fully agree with. No, Tszyu is no.1 and though he may be deemed to be
reaching retirement age, remember that Tszyu has had fewer fights than
Ricky Hatton and has not been involved in many wars, has a great worth
ethic and a strict training regime which suggests that he may be around
for some time yet. As long as Tszyu is still around and winning, he
will always be considered no.1 in the division and Harris will never get
the chance to knock him off the top spot because of his lack of
marketability, and also his sporadic fighting schedule which means that
people forget about him. Harris had the chance to fight Hatton, a fight
that would have gotten him media attention from both sides of the
atlantic, and his biggest payday but chose not to accept the offer.
Harris seems more concerned about money than proving himself to be the
best in the light-welter division.
Also, you like to point out the competitiveness of the light-welter
division, not too sure why, as it helps to undermine your argument. If
Tszyu is to be beaten shortly, there are a host of other challengers
willing to take over that mantle, and the matches that take place will
be amongst the big stars who can command PPV audiences. Harris will
once again be left on the periphery, where he has been in recent times
and where he is likely to remain for the forseeable future."
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The 2 come out to touch gloves from round 1. Both begin a defensive
tactic here in the opening round. J. G. doing a good job on setting up
his shot, most of which are parried away by Neil's gloves. J. G.
describes the career of Harris short and sweet and on the mark. Neil
begins to back up and throws a stiff right hand counter, mentioning
Mayweather's "win over Bruseles meant nothing" despite J. G.
considering him the "main man".
A
faily low activity rate by both men here in what's the feeling out
process between these 2 at the moment. J. G. is being a bit more of the
aggressor this round, popping out twice as many jabs. Some good mentions
of possible fights for Harris and how those fighters (Cotto/Mayweather)
would match up against him, as well as pin pointing their weaknesses
compared to what Harris has learned through defeat and in his comeback
may have won him the round.
"Threat": 10-9 Round To
Blue
"The
Beast": 10-9 Round To
Blue
"Jr
Middle" 10-9 Round To
Blue
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An Abrupt End As Neil1690
Complained Of A Possible Email Malfunction That Has Kept Him From
Beginning Round 2. If Possible Email Malfunctions Are Determined The
Legitimate Reason, The IFFBC Rules J. G. The Winner By Technical
Decision, and NEW I.F.F.B.C. Champion.
Neil, what happened??
Neil1690:
J. G., you came out strong in your 1st
Fan Fight appearance and was lucky enough to land a championship
fight in your debut basically by default. Neil has the opportunity
to challenge the immediate rematch, are you willing?
J. G.:
Well that was fast. First of all, no
disrespect to Neil, I dont even know what happened, but I guess
I was just too much, or Neil had too much on his hands this
week. Should have trained 100% like I did, but I didnt get to
show it but in a single round. Hope that rematch comes through
like you said and when I win it, there wont be any excuses as I
plan on hearing them shortly.
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
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Fan Fight
(May 16-22):
I.F.F.B.C. Championship Fan
Fight
"Which Trilogy
Was Better: Gatti vs. Ward, or Barrera vs. Morales?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
7,
Red: 10
Neil1690 W DQ 2
Rust Oleum |
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Blue Corner:
Rust Oleum (2-1, 1 KO) - Gatti vs. Ward
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Red Corner:
Neil1690 (3-2, 2 KO's) - Barrera vs. Morales -
Judges: "Threat"(Ref), "The Beast", "Jr. Middle" |
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Blue:
Well we got two men from North America in an epic war and two boys
from south of the border in a frijole free for all. This is easy.
Two guys whose families probably first saw America on Ellis Island
versus two guys who have cousins sneaking acroos the border as we
speak.
How can we even compare the trilogies? We can't. As I dig deeper
into this argument in the coming rounds I will show you why it's a
disgrace to even mention these wars in the same breath.
This is a discussion that is trying to compare hard working men
scrapping for their very lives against a couple of free loaders,
please! Don't get me started!"
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Red:
"A quite outrageous opening post Rust, you
are certainly living up to your nickname of (K)rusty the clown as you
are now known on the BM guestbook. I would have thought when comparing
two magnificently entertaining trilogies that factors such as
nationality would not come into the debate. Note that Ward's nickname
is 'Irish', I will allow you to work out why that is, but if you can't
feel free to get back to me.
As you have offered no defence in this round I may as well go to town
and avenge Neckodeemus, first of all by stating that both trilogies were
outstanding from a fight-fan's perspective, but there is no doubt that
Morales-MAB I,II AND III was of a much higher quality in terms of boxing
skills, but also frequently offered the explosiveness of Gatti-Ward I.
Whilst that fight is likely to go down as perhaps the most brutal of all
time, the subsequent rematches offered very little new, just the first
fight at a much slower pace, both men not wanting to go through the pain
of the first fight, and Gatti deciding to box a little more, despite
still being extremely limited in this department at the time. EM-MAB II
offered a tactical battle with genuine class being shown by both men in
what was also a tough fight for both (Morales' facial features after the
fight shows this), but after their first epic it was seen as something
of a letdown, though not to the boxing purists I may add. The Third
offered a mix of both I and II, and was subsequently fight of the year.
So in terms of variety, EM-MAB was streets ahead. Also, Gatti was the
clear winner in fights II and III and thus the tension which surrounded
the EM-MAB fights was not evident here and thus it could be argued that
the Mexican wars provided more of a spectacle for the fans in this
respect. Right Rust, that's enough for now, you have felt my jab and my
overhand right, I will be mixing it up in round two so if your still
standing, I expect a more competitive fight, though I suspect your idea
of competitiveness means an increased volume of cutting and pasting!"
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Rust Oleum comes out for round one cocky and without defense. Neil lands
a straight right and DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES
RUUUUUUUST OLEEEEEEEEUM, seconds into the opening round. He's up on 2.
Oleum Begin's to hold and tie up Neil. A hit behind Neil's head and
Oleum is cautioned for rabbit punching. Neil goes right to the body,
landing some clean combinations. Rust not doing much here, keeping out
of harms way after the 1st knockdown. Neil offers up left hook to the
ribs, followed straight to the chin with the left uppercut and Oleum
backs to the ropes. It's apparent that Neil has been training for this
fight, but Rust is not offering much of a fight here and Neil doing just
enough to stay in complete control. Oleum drops his hands in the closing
seconds of the round to stick his tongue out at Neil and another over
hand right from Neil follows and
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN HE GOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEES AGAIN! He's up on 6 this
time and,
Ding Ding!
"Threat": 10-7 Round To
Red
"The
Beast": 10-7 Round To
Red
"Jr
Middle" 10-7 Round To
Red
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Red: "Right Rust, getting back
to one of the points you seemed to be alluding to in round one, that of
Gatti and Ward being working men fighting for their futures whilst
EM-MAB soaked up the money. There are several points here which I can
make in the defence of my argument. First and foremost, EM and MAB did
not get paid that much for their first fight, something like 250k each,
which is not that much for the show they put on and considering the fact
that they were the top super-bantams in the world. Secondly, Ward and
Gatti got paid much less in their first fight because both were
languishing in the twillight zone, careers going nowhere. Now as I
remember, both recieved million dollar purses for the rematch,
comparable to the purses that EM and MAB received for their rematch,
despite the fact that the Mexican rematch was again trying to establish
who was the best feather in the world this time, and also had an
influence on the P4P lists. Gatti and Ward are not elite fighters yet
received as much money because of the nature of their first fight and
both were popular with Americans. Also if you consider the financial
security that both EM and MAB had at the time of their third fight, you
could be forgiven for thinking that both might not give their all,
having conquered their divisions, guaranteed hall of fame status, and
being multi-millionaires. But did they do that?? No, they gave
everything they had and provided yet another classic battle. So that is
not an issue Rust, in fact you could say that Gatti and Ward were
overpaid for their rematches considering their overall status, not only
in the P4P ladder but in their own division.
Another interesting and rather unique factor concerning trilogies was
the fact that all three of EM-MAB's fights came at different weights,
adding an extra element of spice to the trilogy. Many believed that
Morales would be too big at super-feather for Barrera, but Barrera
confounded the critics and was able to go toe-to-toe with Morales.
After about four rounds of their second fight, it was obvious that Gatti
was the superior fighter and not many doubted that he would win the
rubber match. This cannot be said for EM and MAB, where the action was
back and fourth and no man has yet dominated the other, creating hell
when trying to put these two in P4P order.
Face it Rust, the only advantage Gatti-Ward has is that ninth round in
the first fight, and even then you could say that round five in EM-MAB I
was not far away from the same intensity. And this was from two of the
best pound-for-pound boxers in the world at that time, both delivering
quality. Gatti and Ward made a living out of not being able to defend
properly."
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Blue:
Ahhh, the BM guestbook , I am sure that must be quite a staus symbol
in your neck of the woods, soon all you boys will be singing songs
about me! But here in the civalized World the thought has occured to
me, " What the heck is BM? And more importantly, who the hell
cares?" And what does BM stand for anyway? Wait a minute, avenge
Neckodemmus, hmm, I got it! BM stands for Butt Men! Or maybe ,
Bi-Sexual Monthly! That's it, what else could a bunch of guys all be
doing hanging out in the same guestbook, your all a bunch of
faggots! ( Not cigs, you pepperoni packers). Avenge Neckodeemus? Do
you need a tube of KY to make the loser feel better about himself
homeboy...I mean Homo? All you disgusting queers at Bunghole Monthly
sicken me! I'll bet the lack of teeth in old Backdoorneemus piehole comes
in real handy with you blokes!
And not to disapoint, heres a copy and paste for you.
Thats Neil at a night out at his favorite pub!
Let's be honest, this is the most boring topic for an argument that
BOXING2005 has ever had. Im done! Now all you boys stop playing
"hide the salami" and get to doing something useful with your
pathetic lives."
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All Judges are in agreement!
After Neil came out for round 2, Rust immediately went low and a point
was taken without warning. Upon resuming, Rust grabbed and began to hit
behind the head and was cautioned. Another low blow from Rust and Neil
was on the canvas. After giving strict warning to Rust that another low
blow would be an automatic DQ, Rust immediately grabbed Neil and tackled
him to the ground, then hitting him while he was down.
The referee signals, and yep, "THAT'S IT! YOU'RE OUTTA' HERE!"
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To And, At :56 Of The 2nd
Round, Following Several Low Blows, Hitting Behind The Head And A
Deliberate Take Down, The Referee Had No Choice But To Disqualify Rust
Oleum.
You're Winner By DQ, And Now The Fan Fight Champion Of The World...
NEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
Neil, another bizarre Fan Fight
including Rust Oleum. You're the new Fan Fight Champion, what do you
expect from here on out, and tell us what happened inside the ring here
tonight?
Neil1690:
Rust Oleum is a freak who
knows absolutely nothing about boxing and is helpless when he can't find
any websites to cut and paste. Disappointed not to get the KO win, but
he seemed so perplexed by the purely basic comments that I was making
and decided to get himself disqualified rather than being knocked out.
My main goal is to get by this mandatory on a difficult topic and then
fight rematches against Nito and Neckodeemus, both who I feel I was
robbed against.
Rust, you deliberately and
blatantly used foul tactics in this championship fight, along with
nearly every Fan Fight you've been in. You're certainly the most
controversial Fan Fighter. What is your reasoning and do you plan to
be back?
Rust Oleum:
Freak? Yes, that goes without an argument!
Knows absolutely nothing about boxing?
That's where you are dead wrong Buttman! I am going to inform
you that I know more about the fight game both inside and
outside the ropes than you and your clan of butt boys combined.
Am saying I can take you down in fan fight
anytime I want...yes. Just ask Necko, he knows the truth.
Am I saying I can kick your ass inside the
ring as well.....of course I am, if you think I am crazy just
because of the words I write, you will know I'm insane when you
are going one on one with me in the ring, trust me.
The main reason I am screwing with you guys
so much is that you take all this so freakin' seriously. And,
oh Yeah, I got myself DQ’d so I wouldn’t get Ko’d, gimme a
stinkin break!. It’s obvious you spend way too much time in
forums and chat rooms trying to get some use out of your
pathetic lives. Look at the crap you are spewing….. “My
main goal is to get by this mandatory” DUDE, this is a stupid
game on a boxing website, you win a free DVD, get a life, better
yet, get a job! “….and then fight rematches against Nito and
Neckodeemus, both who I feel I was robbed against. ROBBED???
Again….website!….AGAIN....game! No one paid off judges so you
could lose, and here’s a bigger shock for you, you better sit
down, NO ONE CARES!!!
Good
gracious, and this is coming from the bottom of my heart, you
guys are the biggest pack of losers I have seen since I ran over
all those morons waiting in line for 6 weeks to see Star Wars!
It’s amazing
how a guy like me has become such a large part of your existence
that I am the big topic in your circle, funny thing is that
outside of Boxing2005, I don’t give you guys a second thought!
And as to the comment….. “is
helpless when he can't find any websites to cut and paste.”
I was waiting
for you to say that very thing and I have been cocked and loaded
and now you leave yourself open to fire……..idiot!
I found these
pictures of you and the boys of BM at the annual convention!
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
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Fan Fight
(May 9-15):
"Who Is
The Tougher Fight For Hopkins: Felix Trinidad or Winky Wright?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
17,
Red: 20
Neckodeemus TKO 3
Hookercut |
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Blue Corner:
Hookercut (Fan Fight Debut) -
Trinidad
Red Corner:
Neckodeemus (9-2, 5 KO's) - Wright |
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Blue: "Great, I get the number 1
guy right from the 1st fight. Something tells me this isn't fair, but
I'll give my best to shock the internet boxing world.
This really is a no brainer. Wright has refused to mention Hopkins as a
future opponent after every fight simply because he states Hopkins as
the main man. Wright is great at his own weight, but stepping up in
class is something he isnt prone too, whereas to Trinidad it isnt
uncommon. Wright may beat Trinidad this weekend, but if he goes up to
face Hopkins, which I doubt, then he's in a whole new league and he wont
know what to do. Wright faces lesser skilled fighters. He faces big
punchers and fighters who arent considered "boxers". Vargas and Trinidad
are 2 prime exaples. Mosley USED to be a boxer, but once he moved up
from lightweight, he relies on power and not his speed skills, therefor
he is considered a puncher. Just like McKart and the rest of Wright
opponents. Wright is a boxer who has never faced a boxer himself, and
who's a better boxer than Bernard? No one at the moment. When one
fighter is used to one thing all the time, how will he be able to cope
against somthing new? Hopkins is supreme, Wright is just good is his own
weight class. Beating Trinidad certainly doesnt mean that he would do
better against Hopkins because Trinidad isnt so much a boxer. He's a
blood and guts puncher who doesnt give up and to me, thats always more
dangerous than the boxer himself. Hopkins can outbox Trinidad for days,
but the fact remains, Trinidad still has that power and that chance to
drop you or stop you in any round including the last. Wright doesnt.
Wright is never dangerous as a matter of fact. He's a very good boxer
and that would be a very good boxer going up against THE BEST BOXER.
Trinidad would be one of the best punchers going up against the best
boer and I like those chance better for Trinidad than I do for Wright.
This doesnt say Wright doesnt deserve his shot at Hopkins, I just think
Trinidad, WHO ALREADY HAS FACED HOPKINS, will be a tougher test for
Hopkins. After all, he has tested those waters out and failed, so at
least he knows a bit what it's like, Wright doesnt. it's an all new
territory for him."
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Red: "Appreciate your
recognition of my Big Dog status but flattery will get you no where in
this one.
Firstly the fight at the weekend is irrelevant to this argument in every
way but for one, namely that it is a final eliminator for the WBC crown,
Wright must fancy the higher weight or else he would just hold on and
try to lure Tito into fighting for the lower weight straps. Wright
respects Bernard, do not confuse that respect with fear though as Wright
is lining up a fight with Hopkins as a real legacy clincher for himself.
As for Wright not taking on boxers the fact is that Shane was a PUNCHER
at the lower weights and has had to box more as his power waned, don't
confuse Shane out - strengthening De LA Hoya to his being a big hitter
at light - middle or welter, that Adrian Stone Ko is a long time gone.
Wright would be tougher for Hopkins for reasons you make clear, Tito has
been there, done that and has the [.. - 1 - ..] on his record to prove
it, Hopkins cleared his Ass out so why will he not do it again? You
yourself claim that Hopkins can out - box Tito for days so why will he
get tagged and Ko'd? It did not happen last time despite Tito's best
efforts...Hopkins is too smart to get hit cleanly and repeatedly by
Tito, any match between them will be fight #1 redux, a Ko win for
Hopkins. A boxing truism is that a strong chin beats a strong punch,
apply that to Tito Vs Hopkins and tell me it has not been proven to be
the case. You then go on to say Tito tested those waters and failed?!
Tito was DROWNED in those waters my friend, I think he will think twice
while Hopkins is the big shark in the midweight (welter, light - middle,
middle and super - middle.) pond. You say it would be new territory for
Wright Vs Hopkins, can you not flip the script on this? New territory
for Hopkins also. Wright brings a new puzzle for Hopkins to solve and we
know Hopkins likes new puzzles. Wright brings with him the shock of the
unknown, new style, new height and reach dilemmas and a brand new
undisputed scalp to add to Hopkins collection. Hell I'm showing that
Wright will be the tougher opponent on sheer ineffable qualities, just
wait until my styles analysis son! Hopkins is a warrior, he knows he can
beat Tito, he does not know he can beat Wright, he knows Wright will be
tougher and will end up facing him. Hopkins will get a big payday
Vs Tito but he would get a tough fight Vs Wright, I think Hopkins wants
the best and Wright fits the bill."
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Here we go, round 1 between Fan Fight Debuting Hookercut and the well
known Neckodeemus.
The matchmakers odds where about 80 to 1 on this one, so fans are
suggesting "don't blink".
Hookercut comes right of his his corner to meet Necko in his, immediately
pounding away at the body. Hookercut makes a good case on Wrights
opponents being primarily "Punchers" and not "Boxers", relating
the fact he wont be ready for Hopkins, considered the Number 1
"Boxer" in the world at any weight. Neckodeemus answers right back
with a hook to the body of his own, countering the fact "Trinidad has
been there, done that". Hookercut mentioned how Hopkins would be new
territory for Wright, yet wouldn't it be the same vice-versa?
Hookercut's claim here is that Trinidad may better in a rematch because
he's already "tested those waters", but just as Necko counters
right back, "Tito was DROWNED". Close fights always deserve a
rematch and the 1st Hopkins/Tito fight wasnt. Trinidad would most likely
feel more confident going into a rematch had the fight ended without
being KO'd, let alone been a close fight in general.
* 10-9 Round to Red * a good start by
Hookercut, but Neckodeemus countered every punch offered.
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Red:
"Ok so another factor to take into account
when deciding who will be the toughest fight for Hopkins is the recent
history of both mooted opponents. Wright stands taller here also, we
need to put aside any considerations that will be answered at the
weekend and ask "Who is Toughest fight for Hopkins as it stands NOW?"
Wright is the immediate answer that leaps out at you, Wright has been
active for so long now and will be absolutely razor sharp come any
opponent, if Tito fought Hopkins now you can forget about it. Hopkins
beat Tito easily when Tito was at his best, imagine what he would do to
Tito now that Tito has had an extended lay - off? Tito is not ready for
Hopkins and Bernard would just out - box him (again) and Ko him (again).
In fact if anything Bernard looks sharper now than he has done for
years, what is needed to challenge him is something unique for him to
really get into. Like a fellow undisputed (political nonsense aside)
Champion, or maybe a cunning southpaw with a tight defence, possibly a
southpaw that does not fight like an orthodox southpaw and will
necessitate a getting off the bike for Hopkins...Ummm, who could that
be? Way I see it WRIGHT is all WRONG for Hopkins in terms of style,
Wright will not follow Hopkins whilst the champion gives him the
run-around. Wright would stay tight, block shots and he is underrated at
cutting off the ring, chances are that Wright would be able to block
Hopkins shots and score with his own on a frequent basis. Hopkins cannot
come straight through Wrights' guard and if he tried boxing around him
may be lulled into moving the wrong way and find himself getting
countered after Wright blocks his shot's. Hopkins would have to adopt
the southpaw antidote of right - hand lead followed by a left - hook and
this would mess up his footwork necessitating that he sacrifices some
lateral movement thereby playing into the hands of Wright. Unlike Tito
Wright has kept himself on the grind and will be just as sharp, maybe
sharper than Hopkins...he may also have the edge in hunger. Plus you
have to say that Tito may be gun - shy Vs the man who absolutely
destroyed him and may try to box Hopkins, a big mistake as this will not
be effective for Tito...we just do not know how Tito will react to
having to find the range Vs Hopkins, exorcise the demons and win the
fight. Wright will go in fearless and take it to Hopkins in terms of his
desire.
In short we know that Tito has tried and FAILED to give Hopkins a tough
fight when Tito was allegedly peaking, so how will he give him a tough
fight now? Wright brings the unknown equation to Hopkins and in terms of
logistics and styles it is 100% certain he will provide Hopkins with a
tougher fight."
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Blue: "ugh, why you of all
people? Granted Im not Peter McNeeley, but I shouldnt have to face Tyson
in my 1st pro fan fight. well, without quitting, I will say I think you
are wrong in mentioning Wright will not follow Hopkins. Well, youre
right, but wrong in the sense that makes him tougher to beat Hopkins.
Trinidad keeps coming and takes you down, but by cutting off the ring.
Im not even sure Wright knows how to do that because he never chases. He
snooooozez his way around the ring. Tito did have some good exchanges
with Hopkins and who's to say any fighter cant turn around the results
from a 1st fight in a rematch? It's not uncommon, and if anyone has a
bigger or better chance that would be Tito. When watching the Hopkins/DeLaHoya
fight, everyone noticed that Oscar did pretty good up until the body
blow. He actually did better than most thought and won a few rounds.
Trinidad can fight that way and if he saw this fight which Im sure he
has, then he can take a look and see what works and what doesnt. Tito
isnt a Eastman and he wont just stand there or not die trying. Trinidad
will give everything he has until he dies in there or until that final
bell rings. Not to mention, Hopkins is getting older and older, Trinidad
at least had some time away from the ring to rejuvinate, Hopkins hasnt
and now it's going to be big fight after big fight after big fight and
he's going to need a break sooner or later, otherwise the downfall will
happen if he takes on Tito."
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Round 2 is underway and Necko controlling the fight with his jab here.
Spot on point that Wright has been more active whereas Trinidad has had
one lone comeback fight, against Mayorga of all fighters. Hookercut
looking a bit frustrated in there now. He's reaching with his punches
and Necko is dodging them easily. A nice right hand by Hookercut
mentioning that results in rematches arent always the same, but Necko is
able to block it and return a right hand of his own that lands right on
the chin and and buckles Hookercut's knees. He falls back to the ropes
and Necko comes right in for the attack. Hookercut holds his guard up
high and Necko goes to the body with a left hook and
DOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWNNN GOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEES HOOOOOOKERRRRRRRRCUUUUUUUT!
Necko is just too sharp here and his precise details of the punches
Hopkins would need to throw vs Wright was on point.
Hookercut is up on 8, his legs look uneasy and DING DING!
*10-8 Round to Red * 1 Knockdown!
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Blue: "Im up, im up, im up! Ok,
Im ok! Lets go, wheres he at, wheres he at?
Wrights going to be in this position as I am in this weekend anyway, so
it wont bother me much, then Trinidad will avenge his loss and I can
hold a possible loss against you, above you! There will be an automatic
rematch and hopefully by then I'll have some wins under my belt, rather
than throw in against the lions from the get go.
While Im at it, Trinidad is the type to get thrown in vs anyone and he
wont care who it is, and he takes them out with ease. He has some
trouble with DeLaHoya, but DeLaHoya had just as much trouble with him as
the fight was too close to call, so in actuality, Hopkins is the lone
guy to have a blue print way to beat Tito. It's happened in other
fighters careers where it's that ONE guy who gets you every time. One
guy you just cant beat, not matter how good you are.=, but, thats only
said when a fighter loses twice to the same guy, not once. Once could
mean anything. Imagine if they stopped the Corrales fight after the 2nd
knockdown. No one would expect Chico to win a rematch, yet now he's the
champ. Trinidad is the same way. He's down after the first Hopkins loss,
but they arent counting him out just yet. He's back and up on 8 and
ready for the rematch, and of all fighters, how could you could Trinidad
out of all people? Wright hasnt shown anything of this nature. All he
does is jab and hold and block. He doesnt even move out of the way and
dropping his hands the way he did with Mosley, that's certainly tougher
than Trinidad will be (sarcasim)."
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Red:
"Ok Hookercut, you was thrown in at the
deep end so respect is due. But... You say Wright will be down at the
weekend and Tito will avenge his loss? What loss is that, previous one
to Wright? Oh, Hopkins again, so you are still not telling me what Tito
will do other than punch at Hopkins hoping for a Ko...he did that before
man and got dinked, he does it again and it will be the same result. You
want to talk less about your next fight and try to salvage this one.
Tito can get thrown in with anyone and win? Not according to Hopkins.
Also De La Hoya beat himself, Tito was just there, Oscar made a mistake
and gave three rounds away, up until then he was doing great and showing
Tito as 1 - D. Oscar was stupid to do this but Tito? Wright would have
done better Vs Oscar. Tito did not learn his lesson and was still going
Ko crazy down the line, he is even too stupid to adapt after Hopkins
nailed him down so why you giving him so much hope of coming all the way
back? He didn't give Hopkins a tough fight in the first one so what
makes you think he could in II? To overcome one must adapt and Tito is
not doing this period. Difference between Tito and Corrales? Corrales
won so you are appealing to intangibles with that one, plus Diego can
box and mix it up so we'd give him more hope. You'd have been better off
bringing up his fights with Casamayor but hey I'm not doing your job for
you, Corrales came through Casamayor because he listened and learned.
Tito is still showing no sign of this. So what will make it tougher for
Hopkins? You'd have been best off appealing to age as Tito himself
cannot do anything different. Also bringing up Wright fight, that was
last week's topic man, stick to the issue at hand. The issue being
Tito's inability to present a tougher match for Bernard whilst Wright
will for a multitude of reasons not least the shock of the new. Like I
say respect is due but you are unable to put together a plan for your
man, you know he won't be doing anything different and Bernard knows
this. That is why Hopkins will go for the tougher fight, he will go for
Wright and another big undisputed scalp. Wright brings many things to
the table that make him the tougher opponent, as it stands, for B -
Hop...Tito needs to lock himself away with a copy of his fights and make
some adjustments otherwise it is adios Tito."
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It's Round 3 and Neckodeemus charges right in on Hookercut, knowing he
may still be hurt from the knockdown in round 2. Hookercut covers up in
the corner, throwing a few punches with his head down, not looking where
to land. Neckodeemus comes right up with a flush uppercut on the chin
and Hookercut's hands drop and he begins to wobble toward the center of
the ring. A great counter by Necko in mentioning "DeLaHoya beat
himself" in the fight with Tito. The fight was close as Hookercut
mentioned, but it wasn't 100% by both men like the other fights you
brought up, like Corrales/Castillo. Neckodeemus drops back and shots an
overhand right, right on the temple and DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWNNN
GOOOOEEEEEEES HOOOOOOKKKEEEEEEEEEERCUUUUTTTT,
2nd time in the fight. Neckodeemus is just too much for the
inexperienced Hookercut here. Spot on comments about Corrales and his
fights with Casamayor. Although this is a prime example of what Trinidad
can follow in winning a rematch with Hopkins, Corrales has "listened
and learned" as well as changed trainers in order to do so. Comments
that may have better helped Hookercut in this round, yet was countered
by the skillful Neckodeemus.
The Count is at 7....8....9...., he's up on 9 1/2, he doesnt look good.
The referee asks him to take a step forward, he is incompliant and
THAT'S IT! IT'S ALL OVER, the referee waives this one off, here in round
3.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To And, At :47 Of The 3rd
Round, Following A Knockdown, The Referee Ruled Hookercut Unable To
Continue. You're Winner By TKO...
NEEECKOOOOOODEEEEEEMMMUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
Necko, since your controversial
loss to Rust Oleum, 3 wins, 3 KO's, and you've earned double digits in
victories here in Fan Fight. What are your plans next and could there be
a possible rematch with you and the winner of next weeks Championship
match?
Neckodeemus:
First up respect to
Hooker as he came straight into the big league and acquitted himself
well, hope he keeps on going. Now I am three fights back including a win
over Nito the rising star and the title match is not a possibility it is
an inevitability. Neil, WD - 40 whoever, as long as WD - 40 can act with
some decorum...unlikely but age four is when kiddies start getting some
manners.
Hookercut, probably not the best opponent for a Fan Fight Debut, but
you did show some promise for future bouts. How do you feel, and how
soon will you be back?
Hookercut:
I will be back, but may wait to see who enters one of the rounds
1st before I get tossed in with Neil next, or even Neckodeemus
again. Not ducking, just need a win or 2 1st. Good fight "Necko"
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
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Fan Fight
(May 2-8):
CHALLENGE: Nito Challenges Necko
"Who Wins May
14th: Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright?" |
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Result: Blue:
37,
Red: 39
Neckodeemus W 4
Nito |
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Blue Corner:
Nito (2-0, 1 KO) - Felix Trinidad Will Win
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Red Corner:
Neckodeemus (8-2, 5 KO's) - Winky Wright Will Win - |
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-Round 1 - |
Blue: "What
up Necko. I appreciate you accepting this challenge.. Nothing but
respect. Let’s get down to it. First let me say that Winky is a great
fighter. He is great at what he does. He is strong and long plus he has
a great jab and that peek-a-boo defense. For Winky to be effective he
needs to come forward… That’s what makes Winky so good. He keeps the
pressure on you. I really want to know what you think Winky is gonna do?
I mean people say the blueprint has been layed out. Trinidad can be
outboxed. No doubt about that. Problem is you need to fight backwards.
You need to stay out of harms way. I think everyone who is picking Winky
is going by the fact that he has been labeled the “boxer”. Just cause he
has been labeled the “boxer” and Tito has had trouble with boxers like
Hopkins and De La Hoya they automatically act like Winky is gonna do the
same as Oscar and B-Hop. Problem is Winky style of boxing is totally
different than Oscar and Bernard. Winky is not elusive at all. He can be
hit. He has a nice defense but its more of a shield, he doesn’t really
duck and weave and head movement is limited. If you want Winky to go
backwards and out box Tito like Hop did than you are basically asking
Winky to do something he is not accustomed to. If Winky doesn’t come
forward and throw a lot of punches than that’s not Winky. Winky is a
contact fighter. He blocks most punches but the punches still make
contact in one way or another. I cant really remember Winky going
backwards and being that effective. I really cant. Can you? He must
going forward to impose his will and dictate the fight. Problem is
coming to Tito is not a good idea. Tito unlike Shane Mosely is stronger
than Wright, Hits a lot harder than Shane who hurt Wright, and most
importantly has 10 times more confidence in himself than Shane had. Tito
has fought great boxers with quick hand like Hop and Oscar and strong
fighters like Vargas and Mayorga but Winky has never fought a puncher
like Tito. You also got to ask yourself does Winky have anything to keep
Tito off of him and the answer is a loud NO. Winky power is minimal at
best and he is not an elusive southpaw. He is not even close to it. If
your looking for a Hopkins like performance from Wright you gotta take
into consideration than Hopkins style of boxing is to hit and stay out
of they way of the incoming. Also Hopkins is probably the strongest
fighter in the game. Winky is not Hopkins in anyway, the only common
thing they have is the fact that they were overlooked by the boxing
public. Winky defense will allow Tito to make contact from round 1 to
the end. If you allow Tito to make contact early he is gonna hurt you.
Even Vargas said if you don’t have anything to keep Tito off you are in
for a rough night. Aight let me save some for later. Good luck Necko….."
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Red: "Respect is reciprocated
Nito so we will see how this pans out. Like you I'll start with a
salutation but mine has some smallprint attached, Tito used to be a
great fighter. Fact is that Tito has long been in decline, Hopkins just
highlighted it, conversely Mayorga fight clouded the issue as even Tito
could not fail Vs a limited by style AND weight Mayorga, Wright will ram
home the point strongly when the two meet. Only person laying out
Blueprints nowadays is Jay - Z, what Hopkins did was expose the flaws
inherent to Tito that age are beginning to magnify, also the myth goes
that Hopkins did so solely with lateral movement, lateral movement never
TKO'd a guy Nito, in fact Hopkins movement mostly came in rounds 1 - 6
(after this point many had the fight even). Hopkins after this used less
showy movement and just utilised good side-stepping so that he could be
in punching range to break Tito down, this was his (B - Hops) period of
ascendency. Many like yourself think "Lateral Movement = Roy Jones Dance
Moves". Nope. Winky, like Hopkins, moves laterally by knowing that you
can create distance with one step so why waste energy like De La Hoya
and suffer a late fade - out? Wright will use this subtle movement to
bamboozle Tito all the while landing enough of his laser - beam shots to
keep Tito thinking and when Tito thinks he doesn't fight...you ask for
an example of great Wright movement? I saw with my own eyes his lateral
side - stepping against an aggressive Steve Foster and he can do this,
lately he has been grandstanding to get the big names in, Wright can
move, have no fear of that. Foster isn't Tito you say? I say Tito isn't
Tito ever since Vargas fight, even in blow - out Vs Joppy he was getting
tagged with big shots when Joppy was gone, then Hopkins nailed him, a
quick retirement exhibition and then he is back, still no great
improvement getting tagged Vs a beefed up, even slower Mayorga! Wright
will use the defence you yourself laud when in close and when not in
close will side - step effectively using his southpaw stance as lets
face it Tito only has experience Vs old (Pernell) or limited (Pinedea)
southpaws, now he is coming off a win over a punching bag whose strength
was his strength...a facet robbed from him at 160, hardly preparation
for Wright. Wright will fare better than the southpaws Tito has faced so
far as he is skilled, has good movement and like Hopkins is one hungry
fighter, you keep trying to compare Wright negatively with B - Hop but
forget that both matured like fine wine and retained keen hunger. Winky
may not be apparently elusive but against Tito he will give the angles
necessary to keep Tito thinking, Wright punches shapely as well and this
is vital as Tito is chinny as he will go down when countered, down in
three of his last five! Wright punches with sharp authority and will
counter cleanly, Tito will go down in this one, maybe twice giving
Wright that valuable 4 point swing. Also take into account that Tito
likes to go to the body but is not very good at it, he hits well but
thinks he is headed for Texas when really he is swinging for Mexico! So
add a deduction or two and you'll see a image emerging of Wright piling
up points (5 - 6 leaving Tito a task), blocking shots, side-stepping and
countering a man who looked easy to hit Vs Mayorga and has learned
nothing from his recent years. Wright has styles for the occasion but
since his early promise Tito has been too KO hungry to adapt, this was
apparent Vs Hopkins and Mayorga, Wright will finish the analysis."
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The two men come out for round 1 and show each other respect by touching
gloves.
Nito starts off with his jab, making a good 1st point that everyone who
is picking Winky is based on him being labeled a "boxer" and
since Tito has had trouble with fighters like DeLaHoya and Hopkins who
are also boxers, that must mean Winky would win in their eyes. A very
good point that clouds many boxing fans eyes. However, despite having
trouble with DeLaHoya, he was still awarded the victory and that would
have been another good point to toss in for those picking Wright in this
one.
Necko showing his experience, staying patient, poised and relaxed, does
a quick 'Neckodeemus shuffle' with the "Jay-Z" comment and shoots
the right hand: "Winky, like Hopkins, moves laterally by knowing that
you can create distance with one step so why waste energy like De La
Hoya and suffer a late fade - out?". A great point there. Winky
doesn't usually have problems in distance fights either and that's
usually how his fights go, not being a big KO puncher, so this adds that
Winky could finish strong unlike DeLaHoya did in his fight with Tito.
Nito does a great job in describing the defense Winky uses, noting it's
more like a "shield" rather than "ducking & dodging punches".
That's exactly right. Ike Quartey used a similar style of defense and
when he fought bigger punchers like Lopez and DeLaHoya, what you
mentioned of the punching landing anyway, was very true as Ike went down
several times within those 2 fightsvs punchers who aren't regarded as
heavy hitters as Tito.
Necko lands another stiff right hand mentioning Mayorga being Tito's
lone comeback fight "hardly
preparation for Wright".
Regardless if Winky is comparable to Hopkins or not, he is the best in
his own division and Mayorga wasn't 2nd best, or even 3rd best, so the
'tune-up' isn't expected to be enough for Tito. You work your way up to
the top and Mayorga fighting new to that division wasn't a fight to help
Tito move up, it was to let us know if he's back and that we could take
him seriously. Well, he's back, showed a little rust, but shouldn't that
mean you're next in line for the number 3 or number 2 guy, not the legit
champ right off the bat, 2nd fight in? He could be ready, but it's a
perfect point that possibly shows Tito may not in fact be ready.
*10-9 Round to Red * Close Round, Necko
Finished Stronger
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- Round 2 - |
Red: "Ok, so that is me 1 - 0 up
after the stylistics debate, time for some re - orientation and a matter
that is being consistently brought up by Tito fans, the question of
pedigree. Tito wins here, lets face it, in terms of past opponents Tito
stands tall with names like De La Hoya, Whittaker, Vargas and
Joppy on his impressive ledger. Although many in boxing still
use previous opponents as a judging yardstick but I prefer to mix it up
a little by really analysing what it tells us, going into Hopkins match
Tito had faced De La Hoya, David Reid, Mamadou Thiam, Vargas and
Joppy. Hopkins had taken on Robert Allen, Echols (Twice),
Vanderpool and Holmes. Looking at that list you'd favour the pedigree of
Tito, result of fight at end of these five?!: B - Hop (TKO 12)
Tito. Pedigree lied in that one, similar to this one as Wright,
like Hopkins was, is waiting patiently for huge marquee names (Mosley
aside). Now you are probably already asking if there is a way to flip
the script on this and say that:
"Wright has the advantage based on recent opponents but by your
analysis this is deceiving",
False as this method gives us a bare sketch waiting to be coloured by
our stylistic considerations (a battle I won) in truth both the form
book combined with the styles favour Wright. Tito has impressive
pedigree but that is effectively in the past, Tito is almost born anew
as a contender, all we have to take into account is the Mayorga fight as
we can't take his previous "Career" for granted, all we can do is take
it into consideration his most recent match - up Vs Mayorga who as
stated is not ideal. In effect all we know about Tito is that he can hit
a stationary, smaller target and in Wright he will not get Mayorga redux.
On the other hand Wright is coming off 24 rounds Vs Mosley which even
considering Shane's fading light is a million times better than a
slugfest with Mayorga for giving us some insights into this one.
Effectively you Tito fans cannot coherently argue for him as you just do
not know how much he has based on Mayorga, you can appeal only to
inclination, allow me to appeal to precedent. Two names spring to mind
when you consider this period of lay - off suffered by Tito, Ali and
Tyson both had enforced absences of similar length (Foreman/Holmes
approached it differently), Tyson we eliminate as no matter how bad
Mayorga is he is not a McNeeley. So we look at Ali, absence return
matches Vs Quarry (decent counter - puncher, egg shell eyes - ideal for
Ali) and Bonavena (tough type, limited, ideal but caused problems) like
Tito Ali looked good Vs his comeback opponent(s) but Vs an active,
established fighter in Frazier was let down by his lay - off, similar
thing will happen to Tito. Face it in terms of style, recent fights and
history you are backing only a name, Tito Trinidad a fighter that used
to be ..., you don't actually know if he still is all he was and so you
are appealing to the ether in this one. I don't think you can actually
argue for him with any conviction as we justdon't know what he will
bring Vs Wright, if it is same as he brought Vs Mayorga say adios to the
legend as it will be the a man fighting from memory on the night."
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Blue:
Man I am a little skeptical of your analysis for a couple reasons…
First off do not
get it twisted. Ricardo Mayorga is not greatly skilled. But what he
lacks in skill he makes up in heart. He is a tough opponent. He
never gave up. He kept coming. I feel you would have downgraded Tito
if he fought a lesser middleweight like Morade Hakkar, Cherifi, or
any names on Jermain Taylor resume. So ok Mayorga is not a natural
middleweight but he is a lot tougher than most easy tune ups that
Don King could have put in his positions. He has a chin of granite
and he is full of heart. Sometimes that is all you need. Getting
back to the weight. You say Tito beat up on a smaller man. Ok I give
you that. Tito beat up a smaller natural 147 pounder in his
comeback fight. But lets be realistic Winky’s carreer
defining win is against a former 135 pounder. Wait a minute a
former natural 135 pounder who was extremely lucky to get a decision
in the fight before against Oscar. So lets not throw weight around
to much. Oh I know what you gonna say comparing Mosely to Mayorga
is absurd. But that isn’t nearly as absurd as your example of
Winky’s “movement “ in a Steve Foster fight to showcase his movemnt.
I am gonna go head and say it. Winky’s movement is limited. He has a
good defense but like I said its more of a shield. The contact is
there to be made. He throws his shots and he lets you throw yours
then Winky throws again. Another thing you are acting like this is
just a step up for Tito this is a complete step up in class for
Winky. He has never faced anyone like Tito and no an overrated Shane
Mosely and an out of shape Fernando Vargas do not count. They are
not on Tito’s level. Tito on the other hand has been here done that.
Remember this fight is at middleweight not junior middleweight. And
lets talk about this now. I see when I asked about a good Winky
performance. You say Steve Foster and I cant even just type LOL I
have to spell it out. I was LAUGHING OUT LOUD. Lets showcase his
last couple opponents.Candelo, Hernandez, and Shane. Guess what ?
All were able to hit Winky. The last time he really looked good was
McKart. See Winky can looked good against some one that he is
stronger than. Shane and Mckart were totally frustrated just cause
of Winky’s strength and jab. Candelo and Hernandez have good streght
and were able to get a lot of clean shots on Winky easily. I don’t
care what you say about Winky so called movement. He is stationary
target. You just got to pound through his arms. If Tito made any
improvement that we can see from the Mayorga fight it’s the fact
that he can throw a lot of punches. That right there can help him
beat Winky. Ok so Winky is gonna throw a lot of punches and he is
gonna hit Tito a lot. True. When someone throws a lot of punches at
Tito and more importantly cant hurt him, he will throw
caution to the wind and just come in like he did against Joppy. Yeah
Tito got hit a lot against Joppy. So what. He destroyed him. You
label Winky a boxer just cause he cant punch hard. If he could punch
he would be an boxer-puncher, a southpaw version of Ike Quartey.
Peak a boo defense and a great jab but also there to make contact,
THERE TO BE HIT. The list of opponents who stand in front Tito find
them selves battered. BOXERS like Hop and Oscar stood on there toes.
Hop didn’t really start putting something on his punches tell the
late rounds. Winky is not fast footed or fast handed fighter. Do you
think he can really hold Tito off?????"
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Wiow, this has turned into a real good fight. We have decided to let the
action do the talking for the remainder of this one as it is one back
and forth battle.
* 10-9 Round to Red * Tough Round To Score. |
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- Round 3 - |
Blue: "Aight
necko, lets get down to it. We all know Winky is gonna be able to hit
Tito easily. Like so many other have. Ttio is simply a puncher. He will
take a couple shots to get his in. We also know the only two fighters
that got the best of Tito simoly outboxed him. Move backwards. Circled
him. Hit him and moved out the way. Tito has proved even if you have
fast hands like Whitaker, Oba Carr, and Joppy and you DON’T move out the
way he is gonna capitalize on it. Don’t get me wrong Winky is a great
fighter. I’m am not saying its gonna be a blowout. Winky is gonna score.
He’s too good not too. The fact is he cant hurt Tito and his defense is
not going to get him out of the way of the incoming. I think you are
also neglecting that this fight is at middleweight not super
welterweight. Winky has no power at his weight class and you think he
gonna knock Tito down twice? I think there is a low chance he knocks
Tito down and if he does it probably just a flask knockdown. Cmon Necko
I wouldn’t say Tito is gonna masterfully outbox Wink. I’m saying styles
make fights. Winky has had the advantage in his biggest fight as being
the stronger fighter against Shane but he was there to be hit like Shane
was able to do. Candelo, Hernandez, Vargas, and Shane were easily able
to hit Winky. Look at his face. Its always busted up. Mark my words the
Pre-Tito and Oscar ‘d Fernando Vargas would have beat Winky in a better
way than the out of shape Vargas. I’m talking about the exact Vargas who
beat Ike Quartey. Cause not only will he be able to match strength with
Winky but he has(or had) the skills and heart to do it. If Winky and
Vargas fought now of course Winky would win cause Vargas is damaged
goods. Look at his fights, if you can match strength with Winky like
Vargas and Candelo did you can easily hit him. You just have to have
confidence in yourself and Tito’s heart and determination is match by
few in this sport. Ok Winky is gonna be able to hit. We know Tito can
take his punch we don’t if Wright can take Tito’s. Hop was able to do it
but he was the stronger, bigger fighter. Winky will not be the stronger
fighter. Last time I seen someone hit Tito with no effect….Joppy was
getting off of the canvas three times. Yep. Winky is no Joppy but Winky
isn’t Hopkins either."
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Red:
"Do you ever get a sense of De Ja Vu? Do
you ever get a sense of De Ja Vu? You must of liked that slice of pie
you cooked up in round one Nito as you keep re - heating it for
subsequent rounds. Couple that with the fact you constantly undermine
your own argument and you look to be on your way out of here.
First off you undermine the strength of Winky, blown - up natural
lightmiddle? So what does that make Tito? A guy who let us face it had
his best days at welter! Also Wright kills himself making weight and
despite this is described as "Freakishly" strong by sparring partners,
opponents and his trainer. You then shoot yourself in the other foot by
admitting that Tito will be easy to hit, Bernard found this and stopped
out and out movement for a while, put up his "Shield" and picked Tito
off! Then you say Tito will not go down, then you say he may go down but
it will be a flash knock - down...two flash knock - downs maketh a four
point swing Nito, study maths 3:20. Fact is that your argument is
getting as one - dimensional as your guy, the equivalent of following me
around the ring hoping for a big shot, similar to the approach I foresee
Tito taking...it will not work. Also the Steve Foster remark...Irony
isn't a collective term for Iron you know. I was just pointing out that
Wright can mix styles depending on occasion, maybe he out - strengthed
Shane because he saw Shane doing the same to Oscar and thought that was
the way to approach that fight. You yourself admit he looked the boxer
Vs McCart so why can he not do so again? Are you the only person that
sees Wright as a non - boxer? Also seems you did not read, or cannot
respond adequately to, my round two as I pointed out that I'm not
talking about Wright Vs Vargas, Tito Vs Mayorga, I'm talking about
Wright Vs Tito and a Tito that we do not know too much about certainly
he seems not to have altered a great deal, it is your task to show how
the Tito we knew could win as well as how a new improved Tito will do
it. You do not evidence much faith in his adaptability as you just re -
iterate your claim that he will wear Wright down, this is not good
enough Nito...many thought he'd wear down Hopkins. Plus how do you know
Tito can take a Wright punch? Have you seen that little known fight
Wright Vs Tito I? You say Tito will NOT out - box Wright, WILL get hit a
lot, WILL probably go down, WILL be looking for one big shot Vs a guy
with an effective defence, let us not split hairs over that, you say
that Tito is relying on his strength and determination to win this
fight...so logic dictates that according to your own analysis Wright
holds all the aces, what if he is also more strong AND determined than
Tito who lets face it has secured his legacy, so Wright may have MORE
hunger = determination. Face it Nito, Tito is Finito after this
one...this guy is shipping a lot of punches here, good effort but fading
fast, like his fighter in late rounds Vs Wright!"
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Red: "Ok good fight Nito but an
unusual one in many respects. At the start I intended to argue that Tito
is too 1-D, rusty, jaded and power hungry to win this one, I expected to
meet with a lot of resistance but you seem to agree with me
wholeheartedly:
"True. When someone throws a lot of punches at Tito and more importantly
cant hurt him, he will throw caution to the wind and just come in like
he did against Joppy. Yeah Tito got hit a lot against Joppy. So what."
They are your words and we are yet to find out if Tito can hurt Wright
(down Vs Vasquez five times due to inexperience, since taken on Harry
Simon [Tito light] and Vargas but looked firm in the beard department),
many, many others have put Tito down (he has been down at least TEN
times, also he has STAYED DOWN), Wright may not keep him down but in my
estimation there will be two Tito touch - downs and possibly a low -
blow deduction...thereby giving Wright a five point gap meaning he would
only need a further two points to create a decent swing in his favour.
Either way your boy is going out on points, because that is the thing
Nito, I am not claiming a KO win but a points one for Wright, wide as
well even when you take into account the unusual circumstances following
Tito's "Win" over Oscar. Again this is another issue you became
needlessly embroiled in, Oscar boxed against Tito sure, he boxed by
running away so you assumed this was the manuscript for Bernhard but
Hopkins fought a more effective fight by mixing things up. You've become
obsessed with the idea that a "Runner" is required to beat Tito, not
so...in fact Hopkins ran more Vs Eastman, Bernard also does not rate
Tito the puncher as highly at middleweight or any other division than
welter. He is no longer a single shot decapitating machine, Mayorga at
least evidenced this, Wright may get tagged but C'mon will he just stand
there? Nope. Too big a fight for him, legacy at stake and the whole bag
so be assured that Wright will not be hanging around for Tito's single
shot. Again at the start my brief was too show that Tito would revert
back to the "Killer Robot" style and march forward, getting hit and
waiting for one big shot, again you concurred with this...only I cannot
see it happening. What do Jake La Motta and Mike Weaver have in common?
Both men had fights in which they got comprehensively out - scored but
turned it around with a single shot, this is rare in boxing and both
these men have greater punch resistance than Tito, he will not repeat
this feat...also throw in the fact La Motta and Weaver benefited from
fifteen rounds against Laurent Dauthuille and "Big" John Tate
respectively and the picture becomes bleak for Tito. He will not take
Wright out, we do not know what he has left and Wright is as hungry as
hell for this one...Wright (W12) Felix Trinidad. Now a few consoling
words from the Jiggaman after a good fight: "You've been a THREAT Nito
but after this ask yourself A MILLION AND ONE QUESTIONS about your
approach, brush the DIRT OF YA SHOULDER and I'll grant you an ENCORE
when I get MY title back."
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Blue:
"Oh man… you talk about me shooting myself. Let me point out a
couple things to you:
So Winky is a
natural junior middle weight right? Ok and you point out that fact
that Tito is a natural welterweight or as you said “blown-up”
welterweight right? So u feel Winky is gonna be stronger Right? So
you say Tito barely showed anything in his return by beating Mayorga
right? Wait a minute is Mayorga a blown up welterweight? But you
make it seem like Tito was a legitimate middleweight when he beat up
Mayorga, but now that Winky is involved Tito is back to his
welterweight days huh. Please stop using the Tito beating up the
smaller guy argument when your pick’s career best fight is against a
former 135 pounder. Dog the reason I had to restate some cases is
your argument is totally off the radar. In round 2 you go into
Hopkin-Trinidad fight comparing there resumes. Get it through your
head. Winky Wright defense is nothing like Hopkins defense. Winky
must get hit about 5 times more than Bernard. Bernard wouldn’t get
caught with half the clean punches that Winky does. Then you go into
comparing Tito, Ali, and Tyson. Give me a break. What about Koysta
Tzyu ? He had a long lay off.. Or what about Barrera he got a bad
beating. Why don’t you compare them with Tito. Be real. C’mon that
you spent half the round doing that is beyond me. Or why don’t you
compare there fights with Vargas. Don’t even wanna go there huh? I
understand. Is it because your guy fought a close fight with an out
shape Vargas and my guy mopped the floor with him? But you say no.
Lets compare recent fights. Where my guy beat up a former
welterweight who couldn’t hurt and your guy beat up a former
lightweight who couldn’t hurt him. Am I wrong? Then you try to say
that im saying Winky is gonna do this, Windky is gonna do that. Ok
it doesn’t take a blind man to see Tito is hittable. Just like
Chico, Morales, Kostya, Castillo, Rafael Marquez, etc. Guess what.
They keep winning. So he is hittable. That automatically make him a
loser? A lot of people hit Tito. Only one (should be two) beat him.
As I said in the Mayorga fight, Tito was probably the same ol Tito
but he did show that he is able to throw a lot more punches every
round. If he can continue to just throw punches like he did he will
do a lot better even against the great Bernard Hopkins. It might not
be enough. He used to just look for that one punch in fights but if
he can just swarm his opponents who decide to box him he can do a
lot better. If he keeps throwing and throwing with conviction he can
break through Winky’s “shield”. Hey Tito seems un focused in the
early rounds he might tagged and I agreed a flask knockdown might
happen such as the David Reid. You making it seem like im saying he
is gonna put Tito on his back and he is gonna be out on his feet!!
You seem more focused on making sure the editors are seeing mistakes
than dropping knowledge on me. As for I say- Tito will not outbox
Wright, Will get hit a lot. He will. But Joppy, Vargas, Reid were
able to do that also. I never said Tito will look for one punch? Get
real. You trying too hard to get the editors attention. Um yep Tito
is relying on his strength, heart, power, and determination. Since
you love comparing. Well I seen a man the boxing public called the
greatest fighter of this generation get man handled by a guy with
only heart and determination. See Glen Johnson vs. Roy Jones. My
point being in boxing, even if you have one advantage it is still an
advantage. That one thing you do great can nullify anything the
other fighter can do great. See Ricardo Mayorga vs. Vernon Forrest.
Tito hunger should be unquestioned. Wright also. They are both great
fighters who didn’t have make this fight. So I would use that. As
for your sparring partner description of Winky, yeah if I was
getting beating down by Wright in sparring sessions I’d say the same
thing. I bet Tito’s sparring say great things about him. I be even
Yory Boy Campas’s sparring who he beats up on even say good things
about him. My point. Who really cares what a sparring partner had to
say. If anyone has something to say which might make me listen its
gonna be a comparable opponent. But you don’t wanna go that route
again. I don’t think nobody was shocked to hear Winky’s sparring
partners saying he’s the man….. I admit Winky looked good agaist
McKart but I never said he boxed him?? I said he was too strong and
he just imposed himself on him. When do I say he outboxes him? I
said he was able to look great against him and shane cause he was
stronger!!! WOW..how ironic…. Bottom line Tito is too strong and
powerful for Winky. Winky best attribute is his strength and that
can be matched by Tito. Tito best weapon is his power. It can be
nullified by getting out of the way not blocking it like a shield.
Necko think about it Vargas, Canndello, and Hernandez were able to
do it. Vargas got the close call. Candello and hernadez just
couldn’t do it enough. Shane either. His great defense is not as
good as you think. He will be there for the taking.."
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Submitting his round early, Nito was willing to sacrifice not seeing
Neckodeemus' opening and Final Round comments to get his 4th and Final
Round in due to "military work" which would have kept him out until next
week.
This last round is a candidate for round of the year as the two go toe
to toe in the center of the ring until the final bell sounds. Great
display of heart by Nito.
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, Please Give These Two Warriors A Round Of
Applause As This Has Been One Astounding Fan Fight For The Books.
After 4 Brutal Rounds We Go To The Scorecards.......
We Have It 39 to 37, For Your Winner....
NEEECKOOOOOODEEEEEEMMMUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
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Necko, one heck of a fight, one
that very well could have been scored a draw, what are your thoughts?
Also, it's old rivals Rust Oleum vs. Neil1690 for the championship in 1
week. Give us your take on this fight and who you pick to be victorious.
Neckodeemus:
First and most
importantly full respect goes out to my man Nito, this is one fight in
which if I lost I would have no qualms whatsoever, Nito deserves respect
for taking on the Big Dogs so soon and will go onto even better
things...I look forward to our rematch as this one got me fired up
again. Thanks Nito.
Neil Vs Olive Oil? As long as there is no cutting and pasting Petroleum
Jelly will get dinked by Neil. Reverse the Hearse, I'm not through yet.
Nito, you had a lot going against you from the get go in challenging
one of the top 3 P4P Fan Fighters, but you showed a lot of heart and
the courage to very well be included in that same top 3 very soon.
Where do you plan to go from here and, Neil, a fighter you beat,
will be fighting for the championship in 1 week, what are your
thoughts on that?
Nito:
It was a great
battle. I take my hat off to Necko. His record speaks for itself. In
about two weeks I’ll have more time and will return to a fan fight
against hopefully Necko, Neil, or Enzo. But Necko no disrespect at
all, complete respect. You were on point with your stuff. It was a
good argument. Lots of fun, lots of knowledge. We will have to go at
it again sometime. Good job Necko.
Neil is knowledgeable. He knows his stuff. I hope he wins of course.
I can be the man who beat the man. Plus I think he has an advantage
with the argument. I can think of about 5 reasons right off the bat
on why Morales-MAB trilogy is better than Gatti-Ward’s and Neil is a
big Morales fan so he is gonna have a lot more to say on the matter.
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