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Neckodeemus
(3-1, 1 KO)

Threat
(3-0, 2 KO)

Thrill
(1-1, 0 KO)

Enzo Macaroni
(1-1, 1 KO)

Rust Oleum
(1-1, 0 KO)

All Red Gloria
(1-0, 1 KO)

Ryan from Oxnard
(1-0, 0 KO)

"TKO" Houghton
(1-0, 0 KO)

Lisa "S'Nott"
(0-1, 0 KO)

Chucky T
(0-1, 0 KO)

Darryl Wilson
(0-2, 0 KO)

Ed Murphye
(0-2, 0 KO)

Mark Valentin
(Yet To Fight)

JXL0012
(Fan Fight Debut)

 

Your Name
(0-0, 0 KO)
 
November 2004's Fan Fights:
Enzo Macaroni vs. Lisa "S'Nott" (Nov. 29-Dec. 5)
Rust Oleum vs. Neckodeemus (Nov. 15-21)
Threat vs. Darryl Wilson (Nov. 8-14)
All Red Gloria vs. Enzo Macaroni (Nov. 1-7)
 

Fan Fight Nov. 29-Dec.5:
"Who Poses The Toughest Task For Tszyu?"
Gatti, Mayweather Jr., Spinks, Cotto, Hatton or Harris

Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue: 20, Red: 17
Enzo Macaroni TKO 3 Lisa "S'Nott"

Blue Corner: Gatti - Enzo Macaroni (0-1) -
Red Corner: Mayweather Jr. - Lisa "S'Nott" (Fan Fight Debut) -
-Round 1 -
Blue: "For starters, Gatti is not the same fighter he was when he fought Manfredy, so let's discount that argument before we begin, because it's bound to come up after Mayweather's destruction of the former champion. Under Buddy McGirt, he looks unstoppable, and with that chin I believe he
would certainly last the distance with Tszyu, whereas despite Floyd's undoubted quality, he has never faced a puncher like the Thunder from Down Under. Gatti is a seasoned pro who is actually getting better, can adopt to different styles and is at his peak right now. Tszyu looked awesome against Mitchell, but Mitchell looked overawed from the bell, and Gatti has never looked overawed, despite the opposition. I think his speed, new technical ability, heart and footwork would give Tszyu problems, and lead to a points victory."
 
Red: "I like Jr. very much, he talks trash and sometimes will even lie to get his way, or try to have his will be done! 
Never mind his technical skills or his obvious hand speed advantage or the youth factor. If I was Mayweather, I would make an aquaitance on Kostya's team and start planting seeds that one of the team members is a big problem and must be stopped at all costs! That should start some trouble!
 
And if all else fails I could go to Kostya himself and tell him all the bad things I got to the team member to say, hmmmm, maybe I could get some email correspondence and then I got just forward it over to Kostyas manager, that's sure to start some real trouble.
 
Gosh, I am an evil little twit, aren't I ?"
 
Ummm? Good start by Enzo. Picking a few good shots. "S'Nott" just dances around the ring for the full round.
* 10-9 Round to Blue *
 
- Round 2 -
Red: "SO AS I WAS SAYING, JR. HAS THE UNCANNY ABILITY FOR THE ART OF DECEPTION, WHICH IS A TRAIT THAT I ADMIRE GREATLY. THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAN A FIGHTER WHO CAN MAKE YOU THINK HE IS GOING ONE WAY, WHEN IN REALITY, HIS INTENTIONS ARE TO GO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROUT.
WHILE JR. IS BUSY DAZZLING YOU WITH HIS LEFT HAND, HE IS GETTING TO DO DAMAGE WITH HIS RIGHT, ITS A COMBINATION THAT I USE ALL THE TIME AS I TRY TO BRING MY FOES DOWN, SOMETIMES THIS TACTIC CAN BE VERY DEVASTATING TO ALL PARTIES CONCERNED!
DECEPTION, IT'S A FINE FIGHTERS GREATEST WEAPON, AND JR. IS A MASTER OF IT. HE IS A FINE MAGICIAN WHO MIXES TRASH TALK OUTSIDE THE RING AND DECEPTION INSIDE THE RING, A WICKED BLAST, I MUST ADMIT!
I MYSELF USE THIS STYLE TO MY ADVANTAGE OFTEN, ONLY I CALL IT DEFAMATION AND LYING. I CALL THAT MY TRADEMARK, AND THATS HOW MOST PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER ME!
 
WHY AM I YELLING? I'M LISA S'NOTT DAMMIT, WHAT ELSE WOULD I DO?"
 
Blue: "I'm actually gobsmacked at how poor your argument is, or is this a wind-up?
You are supposed to be championing one of the best p4p fighters but instead you're just talking about deception and infiltrating his camp. You can forget using mind games to beat Tszyu, he's too experienced. The only person to match him for experience at this weight is Gatti, but as I've said before, Arturo is a reborn fighter. The wins over Branco, Dorin and the last two Ward fights show how mobile he has become, his stamina has improved greatly, and his defence is getting better every fight, thanks to Budd McGirt. Tszyu would not knock out Gatti, and I think if Gatti could take him past the fifth he would outwork him, using his jab and superior footwork. He has the heart of a lion, so if he is dragged into a war he has the tools to do it, though I wouldn't advise it. The question was "Who would give Kostya Tszyu the toughest test?", not "Who would beat him?", and the answer is simple - Arturo Gatti.
As I mentioned before, Mayweather is great, but he's the type of fighter who only goes into a scrap with one, maybe two plans, whereas Gatti has three or 4...."
 
"S'Nott" begins the round with an angry look on her face. She complains to the ref before anything even happens. She's upset at something (PMS?) and we're going to get to the bottom of it. Meanwhile, Enzo begins to control Lisa with the jab. Picking and choosing carefully with his precise shots. A stiff jab already has developed a mouse on Lisa's left eye. Lisa does more complaining and claims she was thumbed, the referee says "Fight On", and a HUUUGE right hand over the top Sends The "S'Nott" Down! Good call on 'Mayweather not willing to scrap'. The bell rings and she's still down. You cannot be saved by the bell. "5........6.......7.......", and she's up at 8! On wobbly legs, she goes to the wrong corner.
* 10-8 round to Blue *
 
- Round 3 -
Blue: "An argument based on the fact you like Floyd Mayweather's big mouth is not going to win anything....
Arturo Gatti is not a talker, he saves his frustration and talent for the ring, while outside he comes across as a stand-up guy. He will be remembered as a GREAT because of the way he has conducted
himself, and for being arguably the most exciting fighter of his
generation.
As Ian Darke once said: "People don't go off to buy hotdogs and popcorn when he's in the ring.."
But if Gatti were to face Tszyu now, it wouldn't be a brawl, he'd have to steer clear of that, as I've already mentioned.
In his comeback fight last month, Tszyu faced a guy who should really have given him a stern test, but Mitchell looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. If Tzsyu were to be tested at this stage by a supremely confident Gatti, after such a lengthy lay-off, he would be found-out. A mixture of non-stop punching, pressure, pace and power, which Gatti has in abundance, would put him on the back foot, and find out how his stamina is, something Mitchell couldn't find out for us. I've seen Tszyu tire on occasion, but now he's getting older and only fighting with huge gaps between, he's due a pressure-cooker atmosphere, and that would come from 12 rounds with Arturo. I also don't think Mayweather would bring anything different to the table, and if it came to a battle of punches, because there styles are a little similar., Tszyu would come out on top.
 
Red: Hey, I can base my argument on whatever I want, "Ends of Macaroni?" What the heck kinda name is that?
The most exciting fighter of his generation you say? Ha! Without Fighters like Mikey Ward to make him exciting, Gatti would be just another good pug! No more!
"People don't go off to buy hotdogs and popcorn when he's in the ring.."  And that proves???
When John Ruiz is in the ring people run out for a full five course meal, what the heck does that make him??? Boring!  Stop quoting people, unless of course you want to quote them while you are dragging their name through the wringer, it's always been my motto, if you can't better yourself, which I can't, drag everyone else into your little slime ridden world, that's what I do!! I'll never get anywhere, but hey, neither will they if I can help it!
Bringing Kostya Tszyu into this debate is fruitless Enzo Rigatoni, he kicks both their butt's easy!!! PERIOD!
 
Lisa, still on uneasy legs, enters the round bravely. Enzo picks up right where he left on and traps the "S'Nott" in the corner. Enzo pounds to the body with both the right and left hooks. An uppercut rips through Lisa's guard and snaps the "S'Nott" out of her neck. Her hands drop and Enzo lands 3 more punches on the unconscious Lisa before the referee finally jumps in to save her. And that's it!

* Ladies and Gentlemen. This Fight Had Come To An End. The Referee Jumps In And Waives Off The Fight At :42 Seconds Of The Third Round. Your Winner By Knockout, And Putting A Big Win On His Record........"ENNNZZZOOOO MACCCAAARRRRONNNIIIII!

Enzo, this was your second time fighting a female. The 1st time you were winning before a freak ankle accident put a halt to the bout. Tonight you looked impressive, however Lisa "S'Nott" didn't seem to offer much. What are you thoughts on your comeback?
 Enzo Macaroni:
 "Oh dear, the final round didn't even mention Mayweather, bless her! Maybe next time she should come with an argument! And how old is she? 12? those insults were very playground......tut tut...
bring on Neckodeemus...."


Lisa, what happened?
 Lisa "S'Nott":
"You know, now that I think about it, this fight went just like my pathetic life, for a while I'm feeling pretty good about myself as I lure and bait others into a war of words, but in the end, I end up in a crumpled heap in the corner with no place to go! Maybe I should rethink my gameplan! Uh oh, too late, everybody already hates me anyway, well I'm off to see who I can inflict some verbal damage on next!
 
- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND!
Red:
Blue:
*
 
 
 

Fan Fight Nov. 15-21:
"Whose Comeback Was Most Impressive: Trinidad or Tszyu?"

Results: Blue: 38, Red: 37
Rust Oleum W 4 Neckodeemus

Blue Corner: Trinidad - Rust Oleum (0-1) * Replaces  Mark Valentin (Fan Fight Debut)  -
Red Corner: Tszyu - Neckodeemus (2-0 1 KO) -
* Ladies And Gentlemen, Mark Valentin Failed To Show Up At The Weigh-In And Has Apparently Pulled Out Of This Weeks "Fan Fight". Rust Oleum, Who Has Been In The GYM In Preparation For A Future "Fan Fight", Has Stepped Forward Without Hesitation And Is Willing To Substitue. It's Rust Oleum vs Neckodeemus!
-Round 1 -
Blue: "Here is my opening statement, short, sweet and to the point. Trinidad came back from retirement, Kostya on the other hand did not retire. Reports were that Felix ballooned up to some 200 pounds, Kostya, although in a long lay off, was in rehabilitation, knowing that he would lace them up again. Felix was living the good life and surprised many when he announced his comeback, Kostya surprised no one as he stayed in shape while he healed from his injuries.
Both performances were inspiring, no question about that. But I believe it was a more difficult task for Tito to refocus, and get himself both mentally and physically prepared for his comeback. Kostya remained strong in both body and soul making his return to the ring an easier feat.
Both men can be applauded for their returns, but I believe it was Trinidad who made a more impressive reappearance."
 
Red: "Firstly it is interesting that you used the term rehabilitation in regards to Tszyu, he was plagued by injuries during his lay-off and at his advanced boxing age that is not a good thing. Tszyu has fought for many years as a pro and amateur and like Julio Cesar Chavez displayed niggling injuries begin to plague a fighter late on in their career. In going through a process of rehabilitation Tszyu was not keeping fit per se and his weight also ballooned as he could not possibly maintain his fighting fitness level going through
physiotherapy. Therefore coming back Tszyu could not know 100% if his injury woes would resurface again once he got into rigorous title training let alone fighting.  On the other hand the word associated with Trinidads lay-off would be recuperation or respite which conserves what he had in reserve, he may have blew up in weight during his lay-off but it may have prolonged his career giving him extra time to recover from the Hopkins fight. Consequently Trinidad's lay-off would have given him renewed vigour and hunger whilst Tszyu would have been wondering if he would ever be 100% again in his career, so we must say that Tszyu had more going against him coming back and came back with the stronger
performance. Niggling injuries prey on the mind and Tszyu had more to consider when making his way back to the ring."
 
A strong start by Rust Oleum to begin the 1st round, coming right out to land the first punch. Neckodeemus maintaining his posture here, counters with a miss.
Neckodeemus "pawing" with the jab with his longer approach to Tszyu and Trinidad's time away from the ring rather than discussing their actual comebacks is what made the difference here. It's effective when you want to keep the opponent away or are ready to shoot your power punch, but the round ends before Necko matches the first punch thrown by Rust.
* 10-9 round to Blue *
 
- Round 2 -
Red: "In terms of the actual fight the opponent's quality is a vital component and Tszyu faced the trickier opponent.  As a tricky southpaw Mitchell represented a tough test stylistically for Tszyu despite the Russians previous success against southpaws, remember that no two portsiders are alike. Trinidad was facing Mayorga a come forward slugger who was flattered by wins over Forrest, himself flattered by wins over Mosley, Forrest is now off the radar and Mayorga was soundly beaten by Cory Spinks and was also fighting above his weight, Trinidad has vital winning experience at middleweigt. In no way did Mayorga represent a huge risk as the camp knew what they would be getting and Trinidad had beaten these types before and has only been beaten by Hopkins who boxed his way to victory. Given the opponents and the rapid one-sided nature of the Tszyu win I say that he fought the more impressive comeback and unlike Trinidad was not floored nor was there as much give and take. Tyszu had to take his mandatory whereas Trinidad's camp picked an opponent tailor-made for Trinidad but still Tszyu prevailed over an opponent with more dimensions than the 2-D Mayorga. Therefore it is without doubt that Kostya took on the more accomplished foe and produced a more clinical, impressive performance."
 
Blue: "A tricky southpaw can always be a rough test for an orthodox fighter like Kostya but that is most certainly the case here as you so clearly have pointed out, obviously Kostya had no real problem with Zab Judah, and since he already fought and defeated Shramba once before, saying Mitchell was made to order would be an understatement. I think that was better defined as going back for seconds! 
For Felix, taking on Mayorga was untested ground, and with a fighter as unpredictable as Ricardo is, I don't think he is made to order for any fighter. A fighter with the bravado that Mayorga brings to the ring can always pose a huge problem for anyone!
Nowadays, the mandatory challenger is not always the toughest test, Kostya himself was quick to admit that after his last fight. There are just too many belts out there to use that as a convincing argument, I think you would agree.
And if any fighter is lacking dimensions, it's Mitchell, he fights one way and that's it, you know what to expect from him. I don't think anyone knows what to expect from Mayorga, and that's what made this fight so intriguing, and the win, all the more impressive!"
 
Big round here as Neckodeems sets out to show who's boss. Necko lands a HUGE right hand to wobble Rust Oleum in the opening seconds. Neckodeemus breaking down Mayorga and Mitchell's style and the risks they posed towards their opponents is to the point and sound. A left hook to the ribs and DOOOOOOOOOOWN GOEEESS OLEUM!! Nice body shot delivered by Necko with his "2-D dimension" comment of Mayorga!
Rust gets up on 4, this guy's like a Mayorga! Necko comes in to possibly look for an early stoppage. Neckodeemus throws another big right hand. Rust Oleum ducks it and counters with a left hook that connect flush and DOWWWWWN GOEEES NECKODEEMUS! WHOA! Big shot by Rust Oleum. A counter left hook with his own precision breakdown of Mayorga and Mitchell,  giving Mayorga the deserved credit for being unpredictable. Necko is up on 6 and DING DING! Great Round By Both!
* 9-9 round * Both Men Down!
 
- Round 3 -
Blue: "Let's take a quick look at the fights themselves.
 
With the exception of the cut from a headbutt, Kostya had little trouble disposing of Sharmba. It was short and to the point, Tszyu is simply better and Stronger than Mitchell, no problems!
 
For Trinidad, he was facing a crazy Mayorga who did everything he could to take Felix to the limit. He took vicious hooks on purpose just to show he had what it took to make Felix work hard for his victory.
 
And although the Tszyu win was nice, it won't go down as a legendary war. On the other hand, The Trinidad/Mayorga fight was epic, probably won't win fight of the year, but it will most certainly be a candidate! That's impressive in anyone's books!"
 
Red: "Rust you are just amalgamating and paraphrasing the previous paragraphs! You place great stock in the victory of Trinidad for two reasons. Firstly the 'unpredictableness' of Mayorga, what is this? He drinks and smokes at press conferences and insults people but as far as I know these are not scoring punches. Mayorga comes forward in a straight line throwing wild punches...and that is it apart from sticking his chin out. So Trinidad did not even have to look for the target. Also the fight is only candidate for fight of the year as both took and received punches. I will tell you now that Trinidad FOUGHT EXACTLY AS HE ALWAYS DOES and consequently how can he have impressed? If he would have used lateral movement or displayed new technique then I'd have been impressed but he is still the same Tito. This may be ok for fanatics of Tito but I watched the Hopkins fight and saw him get out-boxed then taken apart and unless he improved he will face more of the same. This is crucial as Hopkins IS the middleweights and Tito will have to go through him to get a title, on the evidence of his comeback he has learned nothing from his sole defeat...this does not impress me.    He has not taken on the challenge of rebuilding and if you think he can beat Hopkins with the same old style then you are mistaken. On the
other hand Tszyu showed that he is a man for all seasons and look at this options now, check out next weeks fan fight or a recent poll, he has many options and is favoured to win his next fight even though he could be facing a variety of styles. He is more rounded and also showed a new aspect in Mitchell win, he is a renowned head hunter but added a flourish of body shots...a new wrinkle on an already vast repotoire. Therefore Tszyu was truly impressive as he showed us that he is the same fighter yet with an added dimension and will have no difficulty picking from a varied style pool of opponents, you cannot say the same for Tito...imagine him v Wright or Hopkins! No way."
 
Another good round as the two men go toe to toe in the center of the ring. Neckodeemus taking away the power of Rust with his defensive style and by breaking down the Trinidad victory. Good showing by both men. A very close round to score, however the cleaner shots seem to be landing more frequent for Neckodeemus here.
* 10-9 Round to Red *
 
- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND!
Red: "Well Rust it has been a good fight but it is time for me to close the show. You have only used the defence that Trinidad was involved in a good fight but as I've shown this is not impressive has he needed to show he has taken in lessons from the Hopkins hammering. Against Mayorga he showed, as discussed in last weeks fan fight, that he only has maybe three meaningful fights on the horizon none of which his previous display would make him favourite for. De La Hoya will be too savvy and will try to drag him down to light-middle, Wright is underrated and would give him nightmares...Hopkins? Forget it. So Tszyu impressed by not only winning well but by coming back from niggling injury and setting himslef up as the dominant force in his division, all the middleweights are a supporting cast to Hopkins...Tito did nothing to make us think differently. Overall I have taken this too an holistic level showing all facets of a comeback go to making it impressive.
 
CRASH! In the first round I dissected the circumstances surrounding BOTH guys going into these comebacks and showed that Tszyu had more to overcome as Trinidad was recupperating.
 
BANG! In the second I moved onto the fight and showed that Tszyu put in an impressive performance as he showed IMPROVEMENT whilst Trinidad showed us that he is not going to be glorious in his middleweight comeback unless he ducks Hopkins...who is the champ.
 
WALLOP! I showed how the Tszyu has set himself up for huge fights in which he will be the clear favourite and will establish him at the top of the P4P rankings, Trinidad needs to tread careful to avoid a defeat thereby limiting his opportunities for a mega-fight. Therefore I've brought the whole event together and showed that in every way Tszyu made the most impressive return to top-class action.
 
Good battle Rust but I think it should be clear that although Trinidad was involved in a good fight...knockdown included...Tszyu made a great COMEBACK.
 
Blue: "So Neck, a close fight it is,
I think that Tito learned his lesson from Bernard, and in winning his fight against Mayorga he proved the biggest lesson he learned was to win at all costs, and he did just that, win. Kostya only proved that if you can beat a fighter once and make him quit, why not fight the guy again, how difficult of a task is that, and how impressive can that really be?
Your argument that fights on the horizon somehow make a win more impressive is lame at best. If that's your case, then you are not paying attention to the question, maybe you should join the fan fight that will ask who is his toughest task, then this argument of yours might hold some merit.
Coming back from a niggling (whatever that is) injury is nice, but does it really compare to coming back from retirement where the focus on boxing and staying in shape was the furthest thing from Tito's mind? I say no!
 
CRASH? BANG? WALLOP? Is this a comic book disertation or a discussion on the merits of a couple of fighters performances?
 
I think the mere fact that Undisputed Champ Winky Wright has let it be known that he wants to prove his greatness by fighting Trinidad speaks volumes as to Titos impessive win over Mayorga, the true testament to a fighters skill is when one of his peers wants to use him as a measuring stick to prove his own greatness. And with that statement alone, I am impressed with Tito's performance, and you should be too!"
 
A good strong start in the 4th round for Necko. Standing strong with his chin tucked in, repeats his power points from each of the previous rounds. Rust standing just as tall, landing his own power shots. A big left uppercut by Rust staggers Necko for an instance. It was the "you can beat a fighter once you make him quit" fact that done it. So true, so why in need of a rematch vs. a quitter? Necko and Rust clinch and Rust takes the opportunity to land a low blow that the referee does not see. Not needed in a great fight like this, but the bell ends to sound the round and it looks like that bigger punch may be enough to win it!?

*Ladies and Gentlemen, Before We Read The Scores, Please Give These Two Men a Round Of Applause For What Has Been One Of Our Best "Fan Fights" To Date.
Judge At Ringside Scores The Bout, 38 to 37, To Your Winner By Unanimous Decision............ RUUUUSSSSSSST OLLLLLEEEEUUUUMMMMMM
*10-9 round to Blue *

Neckodeemus, we here at Boxing2004.com see this fight as a pretty big upset. Tell us you thoughts on the scores and about what happened.
Neckodeemus:
"Hate to sound like a sore loser but...Well I knew after the first round I was fighting my opponent AND the administrating board which is made up by members of the Tito fan club. I swept the first round and did not lose any of the subsequent rounds so I feel the decision was a political one against me.
Still we live and learn ;)"
 

Rust Oleum, what won this fight for you?
Rust Oleum:

"I'm happy to get the much deserved win, it's too bad my foe has decided to blame his loss on everything but his shoddy performance! My opponent thinks he won the first round, but if you look at the scorecard I know it clearly gives the round to me, he then goes on his little whining rant from there! Take your loss like a man "Euro"!!
And one a side note, before you slip that protector back in your mouth, have a dental hygenist take a look at those chiclets, the ones that are left are in need of a good scraping! Until such time, I will not be granting you a rematch, clinches and inside fighting with you is unbearable!
"Portsider?" Wow, you blokes from across the pond come up with some foolish terms!"
 
 
 

Fan Fight Nov. 8-14:
Who Should Trinidad Face Next: Hopkins or DeLaHoya?

Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue: 10, Red: 8
"Threat" TKO 2 Darryl Wilson

Blue Corner: "Threat"(2-0 1 KO) DeLaHoya - Red Corner: Darryl Wilson (0-1) Hopkins
-Round 1 -
Blue: "Well, if the chance for a DeLaHoya rematch comes, that’s the most important fight.. There were a lot of unanswered questions in their 1st fight, many call it a controversial fight at that. Trinidad’s back, and what a better way to finish his career with a rematch vs. DeLaHoya to settle things in one of his last fights, whether it be next, or his final fight, but surely before a rematch vs. Hopkins. Hopkins is the top guy, why take that rematch so soon? That’s a fight Trinidad has to work up to, not jump in without thinking. It’s called build up! That was the first time a fighter had Tito’s number and Trinidad couldn’t do anything about it. Sometimes it’s a good idea to get right back in there and get a rematch, but Hopkins vs. Trinidad wasn’t a close enough fight that Trinidad can just up and take it without hesitation. Fact is, the loss was bad, otherwise he wouldn’t have gone into retirement. Not to mention, Tito’s “BACK”, why risk a fight that he most likely will lose right after making a comeback? Of course he can lose to DLH as well in a rematch, but his chances seem better here, and DLH seems on his way out as Tito seems to have caught a second wind. Come on, I missed Tito and I cant wait to see more of him. The more Tito the better. If he takes on Hopkins now, it could be the last of Tito, win or lose. If he beats Hopkins right now, who’s to say he wont just up and retire again, being satisfied with his career knowing he conquered the only man to conquer him. If he loses to Hopkins, I think that would be it. He doesn't want to be the number 2 guy, so he’d retire again and “Ttio’s Back” has no meaning anymore. If Tito loses to DLH in a rematch, he can still get some big fights out there, including a fight vs. the winner of Mosley vs Wright, or even a 3rd fight vs. DLH since it would be 1 to 1 ;)"
 
Red: "Look, Tito needs Oscar like a hole in the head, if he beats him like a red headed step child he proves nuthin!!!  He was kickin his fanny b4 and somehow bothced it up, with the help of some crappy scoring by the judges! 
Bernard though......well let's just say poor Trinidad didn't fare so well! He got his head handed to him, almost literally. 
So yeah, he looked great in his comeback, but if he wants to make his mark he needs to set his sights on Hopkins.  Fighting Oscar would just be a smokescreen! Ready! Aim! Fire!
 
Darryl starts the round off with some showboating. Playing to the crowd. "Threat" is poised and patient so far, picking his precise shots. Darryl takes his eyes off "Threat" to do an Ali Shuffle, and BLAM! A straight right hand, right on Darryl's temple and "Down He Goes, Like a Pile of Bricks." Woah, he looks hurt. Stumbling to his feet and OHHH, down he goes again. He cant seem to gain his balance from the knockdown. The referee is looking close. Darryl's finally up on 9. Referee lets him fight on and....DING DING. Saved by the bell. Straight hard facts (straight right hand), delivered by "Threat" to score the knockdown early.
* 10-8 round to Blue *
 
- Round 2 -
Red: "All this speculation about who Tito should fight is just that......speculation! The guy has been off for a couple of years, then beats a guy whom he is way bigger than, and now, for some reason he is back in the picture. Okay, you wanna throw your hat back in the ring? Fight Bernard, prove that you can overcome the beat down he gave you last time and climb into the ring with The "X" Man!
 
Now if you want to fight Oscar, here is my suggestion, go to the Arthur Miller Dance school and take a few lessons, that is all you will need to stay in the fight with De La Hoya. Maybe you can pit that old Leo Sayer song on while you are at it............." You make me feel like dancing, I wanna dance the night away"................................................"
 
Blue: "Agreed, fight Bernard to prove her can overcome the loss, BUT, not right away! Don’t you want to see more Tito? I don’t want to see Tito back in retirement. If he loses to Hopkins he surely will, and even if he beats Hopkins, what will be left? That means Tito’s comeback will only have 2 fights worth. What a waste of a comeback if you ask me. Trinidad’s one of the most entertaining fighters that everyone wants to see. Lets get him in with Sturm, Taylor even, THEN he can go onto Hopkins. He still has to prove that he’s worthy of the rematch. A win over a guy you say was Tito was “way bigger than”, then that means he isn’t ready in even your eyes. Trinidad needs to build up to Hopkins. If you look at immediate rematches in recent history, you will see the outcome stayed the same. If Tito takes 2 or 3 fights in between, that’s the best plan. Why do you think everyone is upset that Mosley is taking on Wright again so soon? It’s one thing if their first fight was close. But when it’s one sided, the rematch isn’t necessary right away. Yes Tito went on vacation, now he’s back, but even you yourself said Tito’s opponent in Mayorga wasn’t a big enough of a challenge, then Tito needs to test himself against a natural middleweight before he fights Hopkins. Plain and simple, Tito’s back, we want more Tito! If Tito faces Hopkins next, win or lose, that will be his retirement fight. I’d rather get the most Tito I can now that he’s back. You don’t know what you have until it’s gone, and now that he’s back, I wish he never left in the 1st place."
 
Darryl leading with his chin, taunting "Threat" here. Darryl shoots a jab from his waist and comes up short, then BAMMN! Another straight right from "Threat" right on the chin and Darryl looks unconscious as he begins to fall. "Threat" lands a left hook to the temple as Darryl falls and this looks like it is it. Darryl lays on the canvas motionless with his eyes closed, the referee doesn't even bother to count and it's all over, here in round 2!

* Ladies and Gentlemen. This Fight Had Come To An End. The Referee Waives Off The Fight At 1:38 Seconds Of The Second Round. Your Winner By Knockout, And Still Undefeated........"THRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT"

Well, Threat, as we watch the replay, tell us what happened.
"Threat"
"Well, here you see him with his hands down right after I dropped him in the previous round. Not a good idea, so I took the opportunity to crack him a straight right and Gooooood-night! Ohhh, watch this left hand land on his way down. Ohhh, that's gotta' hurt!"
 
- Round 3 -
Blue:
Red:
*
- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND!
Red:
Blue:
*
 
 
 

Fan Fight Nov. 1-7:
Did Mike Tyson Rape Desiree Washington?

Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue: 27, Red: 29
All Red Gloria TKO 3 Enzo Macaroni

Blue Corner: YES!: All Red Gloria (Fan Fight Debut) -
Red Corner: NO!: Enzo Macaroni (Fan Fight Debut) -
-Round 1 -
Blue: "You men are all alike! How is this even a question? What next? Did he get convicted and go to prison? The answer is yes, the scum is guilty as charged.
I don't know why they didn't just throw everyone who was responsible for taking him to that beauty pageant in prison as well! I am sure it was a bunch of his boys in his possee that thought is was a wonderful idea to attend that beauty contest.
And now that I am thinking about it, why do we even need beauty pageants anyway? Do you realize how degrading that is to women?
Oh boy, let's all watch the girls parade around in their bathing suits and drool. You men ought to get a life and do something constructive with yourselves. But noooo, I am sure you will be at the fights this weekend paying more attention to the ring girls that are bending over to get in and out of the ring than you will be to the actual fights themselves! Perverts!
Now that I am thinking about it, they should throw all of you in prison!
Lorena Bobbit had it right when she castrated her husband, you go girl!"
 
Red: "What kind of an argument is that? Didn't even here Tyson's name mentioned, just a feminine rant.
So here we have the self-styled baddest man on the planet, he's already involved with three of the best looking women on earth (including Naomi Campbell), and he invites Washington up to his room and they have intercourse - she seems extremely surprised he asked her! Than all of a sudden she's been raped, and knowing that 99 per cent of the world will believe a seven stone beauty queen rather than 16stones of muscle - a man with a vicious and violent reputation outside of the ring - it was easy to see why he went to prison. Especially when you consider that his defense attorney played the "Mike is mad so she should have known better card", rather than the "she's a money-grabbing leech who knew she'd get a few million dollars" argument, which would have kept him out of the slammer.
He was set-up within hours of having sex with her......ding ding"
 
A good start by Enzo, connecting with the majority of his shots. Gloria starts off complaining to the referee claiming Enzo's hitting behind the head, but all shots have been legal so far.
* 10-9 Round To Red *
 
- Round 2 -
Red: "I could even argue for you if you like?
Tyson has proved himself to be, let's say, less than a fan of the opposite sex, and that has showed in some of the interviews he's given. But it's an opinion based on being raped himself, raped of millions of
dollars by a series of blood-sucking ex-wives and girlfriends, dating back to Miss Washington and her allegations, which are unfounded in my view. If he was a rapist, how come so many women have been with him since, even married to him..? If you and your sisters are all about solidarity, and it's we men who are the "scum", why they heck are they hanging from his neck? And where are the Desiree Washington interviews, where is her chat show? She could have been maga-famous for this. Afterwards she disappeared, and to be honest, having seen interviews with her father, I'd say it was he who pushed her into making the decision to bring Mike down. Mike is surfing the lake of fire, he has been since Cus D-Amato died, and along the way he's been taking advantage of at every opportunity. Only this time, it meant a prison sentence...."
 
Blue: "You want to argue? Well, okay!
The only blood suckers that ripped off Tyson are the people he chose to surround himself with....men!! It is hard to argue one point with you though. Your claim that he is not a fan of the opposite sex is well documented, good point! That's what got him sent to prison, his obvious lack of respect for the opposite sex is well documented, it's called his criminal record.
The only women who wrap themselves around his neck are the ones who have no sense of self respect for themselves.
And you ask why Miss Washington did not go out on the circuit, doing chat shows and writing books. How much more would you complain if she did do that? You would then claim she is trying to capitalize on her misfortune. But she did not do that, she quietly went away choosing not to play the victim card, she wants to close that entire incident out of the public’s mind, as well as her own! Where is the bloodsucking in that? Becoming mega-famous was not part of her agenda!
And Mike was in the lake of fire long before Cus took him under his wing, how do you think he found him? He was in a home for delinquent boys.
Mike chose his path long before he came into the public eye, he can only blame himself for that."
 
A lot of counterpunching by both fighters here. Both fighters baiting each other, still in a feeling out process. Enzo invited Gloria in with his hands down and Gloria takes the opportunity to land a straight right hand, best punch of the fight thus far, just enough to win the round.
* 10-9 Round to Blue *
 
- Round 3 -
Blue: "You say the allegations are unfounded in your view! How much research did you do? You must have been on the O.J. jury, their views released a murderer!
You seem to think that a few misguided womens lust for Mike speak for all women. I am here to tell you, they do not.
Mike was convicted, simple as that, all your ramblings about bloodsuckers fall on deaf ears!
And how do you define the morons who still pay to watch his circus events? Are they well informed, or are they just paying to see a train wreck?
Just like the freak show at the carnival, Mike has made a spectacle of himself, the rapes, ear chomping and all his other tricks are what keep guys like you hanging on to him. It is certainly nothing to do with his boxing skills, they have eroded, just like your brain cells!"
 
Red: "Hang on a minute love, you've just repeated yourself and spent your entire argument insulting me, when you're supposed to be condemning Tyson...do you need a lie down and a nice cup of tea?
Here's the rub.
Washington previously cried rape before the Tyson case, falsely accusing another young man, so she's not the trustworthy saint you're describing. His name was Wayne Walker, one of her classmates, and maybe we should get him to add his thoughts to this argument. It's fair to say Mike didn't receive a fair trial anyway, as a bunch of white guys wanted to bring the black millionaire playboy down, and did, in the only way they could.
Actually, referring back to young Wayne, in his affidavit, the young white student said: "Desiree Washington and I were friends in high school. I was on the football team and she was a cheerleader. (In October 1989) ...her father, Donald Washington, called my house. He was very agitated, and he said that Desiree had told him that I raped her. He threatened to go to the police, but my mother and I persuaded him that it wasn't true. The police were never called.
The following school day, I cornered Desiree during "passing time" at school. I said, "Why the ... did you tell your father that I raped you?" She said, "I had to say something to cover myself ...or I would have been in big trouble.' I said, "Why the hell did you have to tell him that?
Couldn't you tell him something else?"
Donald Washington was the man pulling Desiree's strings after the alleged Tyson rape, so maybe Jackanory Washington is just a storyteller after all..."
 
After a legal straight right delivered by Enzo, Gloria again complains to the referee, alleging they're behind the head. "Fight on!" says the ref and Enzo takes the opportunity to pepper Gloria with die hard facts: a left hook to the body followed by and uppercut to the chin and DOOOOWN GOOOOES GLOOOOORIA! It was the body shot that crumbled her! She's gasping for air....doesn't look like she's going to make it....and she's up at 9! Enzo comes in to finish her off and DING DING! Saved by the bell!
* 10-8 Round to Red *
 
- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND!
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An Abrupt End As EnzoMacaroni Has Refused To Come Out Of His Corner To Begin Round 4 Due To A Suppsosed Broken Ankle, Dispite Being Ahead On The Scorecards & Scoring A Knockdown In The Previous Round. The IFFBC Rules All Red Gloria The Winner By TKO.
 
Well, All Red Gloria, what do you have to say about the fight?
All Red Gloria:
"Who would have ever guessed that that old Enzo would just up and quit after he dished out all he had but the opposition just kept on coming?
 
I'll tell you who, every woman who has ever been abused, molested, or defiled in any way, who instead of running and hiding stood up to the coward who violated her and proved him to be the scum that he is!
 
That's what Miss Washington did to Tyson and we know the outcome there!
 
Good job Enzo! Just like "Iron Mike", you have really done your gender proud!"

What happened Enzo?
Enzo Macaroni:
"I've said all I can say, I'm too late because I'm in shock at the Tszyu result and spent Saturday in hospital with a broken ankle...and it hurts. DOH!! And I was winning as well,... will be 100 per cent for next time."