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Fan Fight (Oct. 24-30):
"What Fighter
Do You Consider The Most Waste Of Talent?" |
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Current Result:
Blue: 38,
Red: 39
Ryno W 4
Slicker |
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Blue Corner:
Slicker (0-1) -
Audley Harrison
Red Corner: Ryno (Debut) - Francisco 'Panchito'
Bojado |
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-Round 1 - |
Blue: "Ok, lets begin. First
off, I notice you pick of Bojado could lead to some discussion, however
my pick of Harrison is more the winner. Well, Bojado although wasting
away some talent, has at least 'been there and done that'. He was
rushed. He's grabbed the public eye, had big fights on high ranked
televised companies. Lost, come back to avenge his first loss. He's more
of a 'rushed too soon' kind of fighter. He would be good for that kind
of Fan Fight. As far as Harrison goes, he's NEVER been there done that.
Not even half of what Bojado has done. Harrison is how old now? After
winning a medal in the olympics, that usually means youre a prize and
have a lot of big things coming. That medal was Harrison's key to a big
name, big future, big fights, popularity and everything. Bojado, despite
being on the olympic team, did not win any medal and still has
accomplished more than Harrison probably ever will. Harrison has about 1
fight per 2 years at this rate. Not to mention, look at the divisions
these two are in. Bojado is in with some of the top guys, up or down a
division even, so he's not likely to make it very far regardless, if he
does, good for him. Harrison on the other hand is in the HEAVYWEIGHT
division. What does it take to look at that division to think 'hey, i
can take that over right now if i put 100% into it'. Honestly, every
heavyweight in the world should be coming out now because of the state
it's in. It's in a horrible state and anyone can be champion right now.
Not really a single heavyweight stands out as the next Tyson, Lewis or
Holyfield. Byrd, Toney, Vitali, Rahman, and Brewster are what the best
they have to offer and those guys arent half of what the last era used
to be, so Harrison is an idiot for wasting time and not taking on these
guys, or getting ranked up there by fighting whoever he can. You dont
win an olympic medal without talent, so he's got something there, but
it's wasting away and soon he wont be able to have that chance because
he's getting too old."
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Red:
"You make some good points, but all these
punches you're throwing can be easily countered here. In the next round
I'm going to really lay out why Panchito is a bigger waste of talent,
but let me start with your arguments.
First off, Harrison is 33, Bojado is 22. The reason I bring that up is
because while Harrison might have a slow career, Bojado SHOULD have a
promising career still ahead of him, and yet he hasn't fought since
2004.
Harrison, on the other hand, is at least still getting fights in, and in
fact has had 2 this year. You may make the case that Harrison won the
gold medal in the 2000 Sydney Olympics, but being the best in amateur
boxing doesn't always carry over to the pro ranks. Such is true with all
sports; being dominant in minor league baseball doesn't get you to the
World Series automatically. And yes, Harrison does have potential to
make name for himself in a piss-poor heavyweight division, but Bojado
has the potential to make name for himself in his division too. I would
even think it easier to do it in that division because there are so many
good names in the welterweight division that people are paying attention
to it, so they can see shooting stars like Bojado. And yet Bojado's team
is failing to make that happen. They move him along quickly with
unknowns, and then put him in the ring with a tested veteran, Jesse
James Leija. What were they thinking?
He wasn't quite ready for that yet, and I don't doubt that they didn't
think the same thing when they were making that match. And where has
Bojado been since that? But I digress, that's for round 2, not now. Just
let me finish by saying that there's one key flaw in your argument:
Bojado's team is wasting his talent away. They're not keeping him
active, they're not doing him good, keeping him on the radar or
anything. Audley Harrison's manager is AUDLEY HARRISON. He rarely fights
and he fights bums when he does. But he's
doing it to his own damn self. That's not a waste of talent, that's just
flat out stupid."
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Round 1 begins between these two men and right off they go at each other
with big shots. Slicker not afraid to trade despite being stopped in his
debut and he is taking the punches well here, rolling with the most of
them. Ryno does in fact offer some good counters. This is a very
skillful round by both to say the least, but as Ryno counters, he
doesn't follow through with more than what Slicker offers and it ends up
being a quite even round.
* 10-10 Round * Good Round By Both
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- Round 2 - |
Red: "Poor poor Francisco
Bojado. Panchito was primed to be a superstar. You know there's
something special and outstanding in a fighter when a guy who DOESN'T
win a medal for ANOTHER COUNTRY'S team gains popularity in America. That
had to be a good sign, right? And everything about him screamed "belt
holder." He had speed, he had power, tight defense, and a hunger to be
the best out there. His first NINE fights never saw the beginning of
round 4. Those fights totaled a meager 14 rounds, and he won all of them
by KO or TKO. And, to top it all off, he was a nice guy. He didn't run
his mouth like Vargas, he was clean and likeable in post-fight
interviews.
Let's review: Popularity? Check. Skills? Check. Heart? Check.
Personality? Check. Hmmm... I believe all this adds up to Talent with a
capital T. As Showtime's ringside boxing team once said, the question
with this "wunderkind" "is not if he is going to win a world title, but
when."
Well, it hasn't been yet, that's for sure. After losing to Juan Carlos
Rubio, the stoppages became fewer and farther between, with Bojado
content on winning on points. Not to mention his opponents became
tougher and more experienced; his opponents' records were going from a
20.3% loss rate in the first nine fights to a 14.5% in the latter nine.
Even then, the people he was fighting were still unknowns, but Bojado's
star was starting to waiver. So the team, instead of putting him against
another rising but inexperienced prospect, put him against Jesse James
Leija, whose record at that point was 46-6-2. Does that sound like a
good match up? But again, Bojado handled himself. It was a closely
contested split decision loss, and he even put down Leija in the 2nd
round.
So now that the talent has been proven, I believe the question is, why
has this young, hot fighter who now stands at 16-2-0 NOT FOUGHT SINCE
AUGUST OF 2004? How can anyone say that this is not the biggest waste of
talent in boxing right now? He's been out over a year, and has become a
"Whatever Happened
To...?" story to most fans. He should have taken a couple of months AT
MOST off, like he did with Rubio, and came back, stayed busy, and you'd
probably see him in the highest eschelon now. You can't even compare him
with Audley Harrison. Harrison, albeit a gold medalist, has a slower
style, weaker record, very little international appeal... oh and did I
mention he manages HIMSELF? Yeah, what's he doing for himself lately?
Jack shit. Audley Harrison should go to his mirror and do the Donald
Trump "You're Fired!" to himself. Meanwhile, Bojado has an entire
entourage that (allegedly) is working in his best interests. However,
they don't seem to be working at all. What Harrison is doing is dumb,
and his own fault. Bojado's talent is TRULY being wasted, and we can
only hope that when (or if) he comes back he's still the Panchito we saw
rise up, instead of jaded like Vargas was after Tito."
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Blue: "You mention all these
'checks' like skill, quality, superstardom and all that as if it means
much. It can mean different things in all sorts, but the fact is,
heavyweight boxing attracts most EVERYTHING. Mots money, most
popularity, most fans, most anything you can think of. Im not saying it
should or shouldnt be that way, Im just stating that's how it is. So
when you got a guy like Sam Peter who scores a few quick KO's EXACTLY
the way you described Panchito did in his first couple fights, you end
up getting a fighter who everyone goes crazy over, but also create a
bunch of controversey about. Panchito had his own, but when it's a
heavyweight, it gets blows way out of proportion. They talked about this
Peter guy as if he was the next Tyson. He obviously wasnt and isnt, but
you see what Im saying here? He didnt waste much, regardless of being
pushed fast. He saw an open heavyweight division and with the skills he
was born with, went after it. You got a guy like Audley Harrison who has
MORE skills than Peter and that's for damned sure. He won a medal in the
olympics, only the best compete, let alone win a medal, so no knocking
Bojado on that, he got to compete so that's great for him, medal or not.
Then add the fact he's 6' 5 1/2'' tall. Those big guys are what's taking
over there days. No, not any McCline can take over, but he sure as hell
gets his chance and I know McCline has had every chance in the book, but
regardless if he stinks or not, he took his chance. Harrison is better
than McCline and NOT TAKING ANY CHANCES AT ALL! You called it stupid,
sure, we can agree on that, Im not proud of it myself, but it's a whole
waste of talent, at least Bojado got his fights in young. Harrison is 33
with 19 fights! Bojado is 22 with only ONE SINGLE FIGHT LESS than
Harrison! I praise Bojado more than Harrison knowing that. That's just
sad on Harrison's part and if that shows waste on anyones part it's
Harrison. Bojado may have been rushed or whatever, but after his two
loses he deserves a break, so I wouldnt call that wasting, I call that
rehabilitating. Harrison is taking an easier route than Jones Jr."
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Another GREAT round in the books. This is by no means an easy fight for
either as both seem to have an answer for the other. Ryno offers first
in this round, stepping it up a bit. Slicker showing he can dish out as
well, countering where he can, and offering his own combinations. Ryno
and Slicker put on a show in the center of the ring here and it's
apparent these two came to fight. Slicker offers a big right hand on
Ryno to end the round in comparing the records and age to what does show
11 years of possible waste to Bojado's time off as to what Slicker
wisely, but interestingly calls rehabilitation".
* 10-9 Round To Blue * Great Round, Very
Close
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- Round 3 - |
Blue: "When I bring up those
guys like Peter, McCline, it shows just what the heavyweight division
generates. If Bojado was in the same class as those guys he's beat them
both, there's no doubting his skill. Im showing you what makes the most
money and generates most interest. McCline KO'd sorry ass Michael Grant
and Became the next BIG THING, only to lose and stink up the arenas
quite a few times, but he never once declined a fight, well, most of the
time he didnt. When you win a medal, that's your ticket in the pro's to
make it big. DeLaHoya, Holyfield, etc. You get televised right off the
1st fight you get. JUST LIKE BOJADO DID! His very 1st figth was
televised. He had his opportunites and took them. Harrison has similar
opportunities, whether it's him or his manager, he isnt taking them.
Ok, you see two oceans. One is bright, beautiful, clear water, bright
sandy beach. The other is a decent ebach, they have good life guards,
the water isnt as clear. Both are close to you, which do you choose? The
cleaner, better looking one right? Oh, did I mention that if you being
your medal detector, there's a better chance for you to find GOLD and
SILVER and MONEY on the brighter beach? Well now knowing that, you for
sure want the beautiful beach to be your next visit. Well that's the
heavyweight division. Although other divisions are still boxing and can
generate high interest, much as Barrera vs Morales, DeLaHoya vs
Trinidad, ect. can, the most is to be made at the heavyweight divison.
If Bojado had a choice to be in any division, Im sure he;d be a
heavyweight, and Im sure the opportunies would be greater and he would
be more motivated to get out there. His divisions are filled with some
of the P4P best fighters in the world, it's no wonder he's taking a
break. I wouldnt want to rush him in with Cotto, Floyd, Hatton or Tszyu.
But, I would be willing to risk Harrison in with Tua, who sucks now,
Byrd, who sucks now, McCline, who always sucked, Wlad Klitschko, who
also sucks, BUT, when he beats them, he becaomes the NEXT BIG THING all
over again. It's like a cycle. Oh, and who else is champion? Ruiz. Gimme
a break. Im sure Bojado could knock out Ruiz, so that says alot on
Harrison NOT gettign the job done and going out there to do it. Lets
see, Harrison vs Ruiz, or Bojado vs Mayweather Jr., which one has the
best chance of a new champion?"
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Red: "Beaches? Metal detectors?
What the hell? I thought this was a fan fight, not a travel video!
You're swinging wild for your points man, listen up.
Screw the impossible hypotheticals man. Bojado is NOT a heavyweight, and
unless you're him or are somehow psychically channeling him, who the
hell are you to say that's his desire? The heavyweight division, while
historically more noticed, is not always the golden land of boxing. Are
you saying that great fighters are today like Gatti, Mayweather,
Casamayor, all them, are LESS WORTHY because the most respect goes to
the heavyweight division? Maybe for your two-bit boxing fan who only
tunes in when Tyson's in another sideshow mismatch, but any boxing fan
with two brain cells knows that's not the case. So I don't think that's
an applicable point; besides, this isn't about money, fans, fame, or any
of that. This is not "Who's a bigger waste of a career" episode of Fan
Fight. This is about TALENT, and whose got more talent, and whose talent
is not being used as it should. That is Francisco Bojado.
You rattle off all these fighters who suck, let's see all of who Audley
Harrison has beaten. *reviews list* Hmm. No one. Sorry. None of these
guys are any big deal either. Let's check the last 6 fights. Harrison's
opponents have had a 20.8% loss rate. Bojado was fighting better guys
when he STARTED. Sounds to me like Audley Harrison is right up there in
the SUCK factor. That doesn't sound like talent at all. I'll even take
it a step further, you say that you would put Audley Harrison in the
ring with all these people? If Tua catches Harrison, his power will rock
Audley so hard he'll think that Britian's being bombed again. Byrd,
though boring as sin, can match Harrison's boxing ability, and with his
experience, would make for a sleeper win on the cards. McCline... ok, he
sucks too. W. Klitschko would do the same thing he does to all his
opponents: he drags his knuckles out from his cave to the ring, pounds
the guy over the head, and drags back to the cave for a bowl of borscht.
So Audley Harrison clearly doesn't have the talent you hold in so high
regard.
You bring up the hypothetical question, "Harrison vs Ruiz, or Bojado vs
Mayweather Jr., which one has the best chance of a new champion?" and as
of right now, I'll give you that. However, I'll also point out that you
paired Bojado up with (begrudgingly I admit) one of the top pound for
pound fighters out there, and you paired Harrison with the textbook
definition of "terrible boxer." Obviously Harrison has a better chance
in that set of fights. That's like asking what has a better chance of
surviving, a duck in a fire or a fish in a flood? (See, I can make
Discovery Channel analogies too.) But in turn, I ask you this: Harrison
vs Ruiz, or Bojado vs Mayweather Jr, whether it be a win or a loss, who
comes out looking better with a solid performance against their
opponent?
As for the "rehabilitation," if it had been 6 months time off, I would
have agreed. If it had been 9 months, I would have given you the benefit
of the doubt. If it had been 12 months, I would have started voicing
careful concern. But it's been over a freakin' YEAR! This is beyond
rehab, this is now pointless. At this point, he should have been active
and in the ring, even if it was just with chumps, to keep his name on
the radar. Harrison's last fight (remember, he manages himself, so it's
not wasteful, just stupid) was in August of this year against Robert
Wiggins. And his next fight is slated on December 10th against Danny
Williams. Sounds like he's keeping himself busy, not very wasteful
there. Again I point to the fact that your corner works on your behalf,
which is why taking over a year off after a closely contested split
decision loss against a veteran is beyond rehab, it is a WASTE OF
TALENT!
BAM!"
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Round 3 gets underway and these two just don't let up. Slicker showing
some good movement here, however beginning to show boat just a bit and
land off the mark with the hypothesis of beaches. It makes sense in a
way, but who's to say DeLaHoya, a fight you mentioned, hasnt found a
gold or silver piece quite over on that not so sandy beach called the
welterweight division? Ryno picks up the pace here and showing good
stamina to finish the round strong, staggering Slicker as the bell
sounds!
* 10-9 Round to Red * Another Top Round!
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red:
"Let me wrap this thing up and put a pretty
little bow on it. This fan fight is about wasted TALENT. Bojado clearly
holds that belt over Harrison. When you ask people what their opinion of
Bojado was, the worst you usually hear is, "Well, he WAS good, but
whatever happened to him?" When you ask about Harrison, you usually get
a mediocre response, like, "He's okay," or "He's not that impressive,"
or even the good ol' fashioned "Who?" So Slicker's presumptuous
ascertation that heavyweights draw more attention is proven false here.
What more do I have to say? Audley Harrison is a good amateur fighter
whose technique didn't quite cross over the way he wanted, and Bojado
translated over to the pros easily. Mexican fighters sometimes have a
tendancy to be that way. Harrison is largely unnoticed by the pubic, and
rightly so, because he's not that damn much better than the current
flock of seagulls in the heavyweight division. Bojado had everyone's
attention when he was fighting. This fight is about Talent, it always
has been, and Bojado is clearly more talented than Harrison. And that is
why its more disappointing to not see Bojado fight since August 2004,
since there is more talent there waiting to be used.
This is a short round, but what can I say that hasn't been said? Compare
the records, compare the past. Compare the corners! As I have said and
will continue to say, "He who self manages gets screwed over by his
manager." Harrison managing himself screws himself over, it's not being
wasted. Bojado's corner is pissing his talent away. Where can this go
for Bojado? The reason I am so behind him is he could turn out like my
favorite fighter, Fernando Vargas. They rush him along, put him in a
good but maybe overmatched fight, give him a lot of time off, forcing
him to practically start from square one. And look at him now. Two
fights, both of which we looked at him and said, "Eeeeh, maybe next time
he'll show us something." Bojado has something NOW, why is his team not
putting his product out there? They rushed him, put him in with Leija,
he's recovered, get him back out there! Harrison is older, not that
impressive... I mean, look at it, you put Bojado next to a lackluster
welterwieght, and who do you think will win? Bojado. You put Harrison
next to a lackluster heavyweight, and who do you pick there? YOU DON'T,
because Harrison is just about as pathetic as the rest of them.
Bojado is a talent, it's being wasted, and mark my words, if we don't
see a decent fight out of him by February 2006, he'll be a squandered
shell of himself."
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Blue:
"Well, youre half and half I guess. Bojado
is a bit of a waste himself, but he doesnt have it in him. Harrison just
appears to want to cruise. I think not having the motivation is ok for
one to take a break. It's not great, but why fight if you dont want to.
Harrison wants to, he just wants it the easy way, much like Jones Jr
did. However, the heavyweight division appears to be easier that the
divisions Bojado could be training in so that even makes the case
stronger for me as Harrison has every advantage thrown at him and he
still wotn do it. Bojado doesnt have every advantage. Bojado is out of
shape for the moment I hear anyway, so no big deal to jump right back
in. Harrison is in peak form and not doing it. That's a waste. If you
have it and dont use it, THAT'S A WASTE! Bojado might not have it
anymore. Those losses were quick in his career and hard, he might not be
mentally there so that's not much of a waste, that's what I call a
ruined fighter. Like Trinidad did to Vargas. Vargas fights on and off,
but it's not much wasted talent because it's not there anymore. Bojado
wasnt smashed like Vargas was, but he mental state could be. Harrison
has yet to be ruined, hurt or even lost, so he has everything right
there infront of him. It's like the sword is right there to kill your
enemy once youve been knocked down, but he's not picking it up. He's
just watching time fly by. Bojado is like the fallen warrior, but the
enemy isnt so interested in him for the moment, so Bojado can relax a
bit and get himself together. Harrison, bigger waste."
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The 4th and Final round gets underway here and just as in each of the
preceding rounds, these two don't stop. Ryno offering many combinations
here as Slicker showing where he got his name from, using some good
movement in there and countering when available. Ryno appears to be
throwing twice as many with lesser power as Slicker is more focused on
landing the big bombs one at a time.
Great Fight! |
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, Before We Read The Score Please Give These Two
Men Who Came Out And Put On A Non-Stop Fan Fight For The Books. The
Score Is As Follows:
39 to 38...For Your Winner....And Making A Successful Fan Fight Debut,
Ryyyyyyyyyyynnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Ryno, a tougher than expected
debut, what can you make out of this one and how soon will you be back?
Ryno:
Yeah it was tough, it just means that I'm gonna have to stay
in focus with
my training by reading more of
www.boxing2006.com. I'm proud of this win, I
think Slicker was a tough opponent, but I'm gonna get back in the gym
and be
more powerful for the next one. I'm gonna talk with my corner but you'll
probably see me soon, I wanna keep busy with my fan fights, man.
Slicker, a tough loss, two back to back, however, each time you have
proved yourself worthy of Fan Fight success. Where do you go from
here?
Slicker:
Well, the first time I had to pull
out for personal reasons, but this one showed I have the stamina to
punch all the way to the end. I thought I nipped it, but Ryno's a tough
animal. Im not sure if I want to take some time off or get right back in
there, but I deserve one of those 0-2 fighters for my next fight. |
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Fan Fight (Oct.
17-23):
"Who Wins At
135: Barrera vs. Castillo?" |
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Current Result:
Blue: 0,
Red: 0
Kobra-Kai DQ 1
GoadenTeef |
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Blue Corner:
GoadenTeef (Debut) -
Barrera
Red Corner: Kobra-Kai (3-0, 3 KO's) -
Castillo |
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Was Over Before It Started As
GoadenTeef Has Refused To Come Out For Round 1. Spectators Have Said He
Took The First Flight Home After The Previous Days Weigh-In. Since A
Replacement Opponent Could Not Be Found In Time, The New I.F.F.B.C.
Rules Kobra-Kai The Winner By Disqualification!
Kobra,
despite the DQ, you still have yet to be taken into the 2nd round, whats
next?
Kobra-Kai:
I don't know what it
is, but it reminds me of Jeff Lacy and his first set match where at the
weigh-in, he takes of his shirt, his opponents gets a look at the
monster he's up against and takes the next flight home, bailing out of
the fight. I'm not much for trash talk, but this was a bit of a joke not
showing up on fight night.
GoadenTeef, what happened?
Goadenteef:
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Fan Fight
(Oct. 10-16):
"At A Catch
Weight, Who Would Have Won Had They Fought In Or Near 2000:
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Felix Trinidad?" |
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Result at Time Of Stoppage:
Blue: 19,
Red: 20
Rob Quijano TKO 3
J.G. |
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Blue Corner:
J.G. (1-1) -
Roy Jones Jr.
Red Corner: Rob Quijano (2-0-1) -
Felix Trinidad |
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Blue: "Hey Rob, Ive read your
fights. good luck.
Jones and Trinidad at a catch weight would have been great. It was
originally supposed to happen, but Hopkins ruined those plans. Turned
out there was a way to beat the invincible Tito, however, I think
DeLaHoya laid that blueprint out and Hopkins just mastered it together.
Oscar had the chance and was that close, but robbery or not, he didnt
take it with full force, he let it get away. This shows that the way to
beat Trinidad was to outbox him. Everyone would go in and use his chin
and knockdowns in previous fights as incentive to just go in there and
try and knock him out. That was the problem. You knock him down, youre
going to get knocked out. Hopkins just buried him with punishment early
on that by the final round a knockdown would be too late to get back up
and try anything for Tito. His early knockdowns are mainly the opponents
mistake. You shouldnt do that, oh great, now youre in trouble, you just
dropped Tito. That's how it usually goes. Trinidad was a great fighter,
but more so a fighter and puncher than a boxer in my eyes. A great
finisher as well. He lacked in defense and his best aspects were his
punching power and his heart. But that only goes so far with superior
boxers, like DeLaHoya, Hopkins, and most recently, Winky Wright. Roy
Jones not only exhibited the boxer type of style, but also used the hit
and not get hit technique that Wright and Hopkins impose and I find it
hard to see Trinidad landing anything meaningful on Jones especially if
Jones could stay away and manage 2 punches from his opponents per round.
Trinidad showed he really wasnt that good at cutting off the ring so I
figure Jones would just box boring circles around Tito to win a
unanimous decision, but then remembering that Trinidad was jumping 2 to
3 weight classes to meet Jones, that means he wouldnt be as comfortable
and his ability to take a clean shot from a natural fighter at that
weight in Jones would be iffy."
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Red:
"J.G. good luck to you also. I have to completely disagree
with you on a number of things but first and foremost would be
Trinidad's ability to get to Roy. If you remember back in
2000, Roy had become a boring fighter. He was a very slow
starter and there really wasn't any competition for him in his
weight class. He had no interest. That would have
brought him down to middleweight. The division of the time
frame. Tito was moving up at that time and wouldn't take so
drastic a weight increase as to light heavyweight. So you have
Tito who decisioned Oscar, although not that convincingly but did so
nonetheless. Oscar became tired and started to feel Tito's
power so what did he do, he ran. Tito caught him and began to
pound Oscar as he ran. That was for the welterweight title.
Sure Oscar had him early on but could not withstand that pace for
the entire fight (much credit is due to Wright). Back to
Jones, there were no big money fights in his future. His
eventual conquerors were not even in the picture. So Jones
would have had to move down and there was no way that he would have
moved to super welter or junior middle. That left middleweight
for the fight everyone was clamoring for. Just look at how
Jones was after his fight with Ruiz when he went back down.
That sluggishness would have helped Tito. Roy would want to
appease the crowd at that point and would try and go toe to toe.
Sure Tito would continue to try and come forward throughout and
Jones would land his jab but any attempts at an inside game would
have gotten him a big left hook. I'll continue in the 2nd
round with my thoughts on that fight. I am obviously a Roy
Jones fan but as for Tito, I am probably his biggest fan and I can
name his strengths and shortcomings."
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Round 1 begins and these two show some respect and real skill here. J.G.
breaks down Trinidad's weaknesses and strengths for the majority of the
round. Quijano comes right back and counters where J.G. leaves himself
open. A nice right hand counter bringing up how Trinidad began to find
DeLaHoya as he chose to run because of it. J.G. sneaks a small but clean
right hand near the closing seconds, picking Jones to win to take the
Blue corner, but only giving a brief mention of him to end the round.
* 10-10 Round * Great Round!
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Red:
"J.G.
last round I mentioned how Tito would pursue Jones and Jones would
counter with his jabs. That is without question and you even made
a point of how Tito is a great finisher. Tito would pursue,
pursue, pursue and Jones would tire. Now Jones is an excellent
boxer but before Tito was beaten physically by Hopkins (master of the
grab and punch) or completely embarrassed by Wright (something all
Puerto Ricans will always have problems dealing with--myself included),
Tito has beaten some very good boxers. In addition Jones still has
the habit of trying to clown in the ring to frustrate his opponent.
Proven in his last bout with Tarver. Do you think that throwing
possibly 8 punches per round would give him a victory? I'll
give you the name of another "boxer" that was considered pound for
pound, the best.....Pernell Whitaker. Whitaker admitted himself
how bad Tito beat him. David Reid and William Joppy also had
boxing skills also before Tito went to work. You want another
clown....how about Hector "Macho" Camacho. As I stated before I am
a fan of Jones but with the weight that he would have to lose to come
down to middleweight and his eagerness to please the crowd, he would get
caught with the Gancho. The left hook that has put many down. In
2000 Jones believed himself to be invincible but imagine of Tito's hook
would catch him flush..."
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Blue: "What's tough is, this
fight has no chance of happening now. In my last fan fight I went toe to
toe with Neil about the Corrales/Castillo rematch on who would win. A
fight I lost and had picked Corrales. Well, I was proven wrong when
Castillo won. This fan fight will be determined between you and I rather
than the fighters. You said Hopkins physically beat Tito, who's to say
Jones couldnt do the same? You said Jones would tire, as if Tito wouldnt?
In the majority of fights these two have had, Tito is more susceptible
to getting tired in later rounds. Jones would usually win every single
round of any given fight. The latter stages of his career were due to
him getting old and worn, and coming down from heavyweight. Fighting
Trinidad back in 2000 would have seen Jones at his best. You also
mention Jones clowning as if it doesnt work to his advantage. Of course
it would and even you said "frustrate his opponents". Tito is definitely
one to get frustrated, and definitely one to not have a plan b. He will
just keep going in trying to land the one shot while Jones would toy
with him. Pernell Whitaker was no where near his best when he faced
Tito. He wasnt near his best when he almost beat DeLaHoya for that
matter, so he shouldnt even count. David Reid was pushed too fast into
this fight. Joppy was never given his chance earlier for this fight so i
was too later for him. Camacho would probably be your best bet for
comparison to a Jones type of match-up, but Camacho ever had KO power
and couldnt be in the "great" status as Jones Jr will and has been."
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Rob comes out for round 2 and establishes his jab early. J.G. takes this
round off a bit it seems and plays the counter puncher throughout. J.G.
makes some on the mark counters in mentioning how Whitaker wasnt near
his best when he faced Tito and Oscar, however he appears to reach for
strings with his Joppy comments and comes up short, while Rob is able to
stagger him at the end of the round with a perfect straight right.
* 10-9 Round To Red *
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Blue: "Ill talk about how Jones'
opponents relate to Trinidad instead. Toney. Here's a guy who has even
more skill than Trinidad, but the same as they both come forward with a
big punch, at least that was Toney back then. Jones out maneuvered him,
a slicker fighter than Tito at that, so that should speak volumes. Lets
bring up Julio Gonzalez. Here's a guy who is very similar to Tito. Lots
of heart, not the best chin, lots of power, comes straight in. Jones
beat him to a pulp. Heck, Lou DeValle who gave Jones his toughest test
until Tarver came along and he exhibited similar Trinidad skills, but
Jones still over came that. Eric Harding is a guy who fought southpaw
and utilized the jab and had Jones on the end of the the most part, but
Harding is more of a Wright type of style than Trinidad, and Jones still
overcame that obstacle. Jones basically never lost until now and that is
becuase of the weight loss as well as him fighting beyond a point he
shouldnt have. Ruiz should have been it for him. Tarver isnt that great.
Johnson either. They cought Jones at the perfect time. In 2000 Tito
would have ran into the wrong Jones."
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Red:
"J.G. I read your comments but this fanfight is
about who would win at a catch weight and not whether we think the fight
would ever happen. I told you that I am a fan of Jones and give
credit where credit is due, Jones was P4P the best at one time but Tito
has his moment also. Think about who Jones has dominated.....has he ever
faced a Pernell, an Oscar, or a Vargas. When Jones fought James
Toney, Toney wasn't the counterpuncher that he has become today.
Montell Griffin was over-rated, Hopkins wasn't ready for prime time, and
Ruiz at heavyweight was just jabbed and outran. Jones didn't give
Ruiz the chance to cuddle. Before his losses to Tarver (3 losses
in my opinion) and Glen Johnson, where was the competition to make him
that great a fighter? Styles make fights and Jones carefully chose
his opponents. Trinidad on the other hand would take on all
comers. Tito has beaten Blocker, Campas, Camacho, Carr, Whitaker,
Pineda, De La Hoya, Reid, Vargas, Joppy, and Mayorga to name just a few.
These are name boxers, Jones mostly fought no-names in the Light
Heavyweight division. If Jones would have stood a
middleweight throughout his career, he would have been tarnished a long
time ago. Not to mention the middleweights of today but Jones
wouldn't last against Taylor. You asked how I knew that Jones
wouldn't have physically beaten Tito...well it is not and never has been
Jones' style. You say Tito would tire but also that Tito was a
great finisher. Tito style has always been relentless, get caught
by a big punch, get up, knock them down, and walk away the winner.
Jones couldn't deal with someone who kept coming forward. You
think I'm wrong but what style does Glen Johnson have? Papa
Trinidad would train Jones for the type of fight where Jones would try
and run, jab, pop in every once in a awhile. Tito has been a very
good counterpuncher also. Tito has the monster left hook and also
the uppercut. Tito's mistake with Hopkins and Wright was that he
did not train for the type of fight that they brought to the table.
Hopkins used his head (literally also) to create his physical style of
holding, shooting elbows, step back and jab, and it worked. Wright
was just perfectly planned. What Hopkins did to Tito was nothing
like the Oscar fight. Oscar fought Tito early on, countered, and
threw big punches. Tito withstood all of that and Oscar became
tired and ran. Jones would do the same. Now I am sorry J.G.
but a fight between Jones and Tito would have exposed the glass jaw
Jones a very long time ago. Tito has been knocked down and showed
the heart of a champion by getting up and winning these fights.
When has Jones ever gotten up to win a fight? I think the real
question here is which angle would Jones have in his fight with
Tito....face up staring at the lights or face down! In closing
this round, you compare Felix "Tito" Trinidad to Julio Gonzalez?
You mention Lou DeValle in the same breath? Eric Harding, yeah
I'll give credit to you for that but Gonzalez compared to Tito?
How am I supposed to make that comparison? Not to take anything
away from Gonzalez but that's like comparing Julio Cesar Chavez in his
prime to a David "Weezel" Estrada or Muhammad Ali to Larry Donald.
Lastly you mentioned how Jones lost to Tarver and Johnson because of the
weight loss. Hello this is a fight that would have only happened at
middleweight. Wrong Jones you say, I say the same one that got
Dropped with punches less lethal than el Gancho de Tito."
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J.G. comes out for round 3 with his hands down, he appears tired
already. Rob takes the initiative and comes right in with a lead right
hand that connects, followed by a left hook and
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWN GOOOOOOOOOOOEESS J.G! He looks very hurt
here. 4....5....6....he's up on 7. Ref asks him to take a step forward,
and the fight resumes. J.G. not offering much for defense and it looks
like he's not really trying in this round. He back right up to the ropes
and Rob attacks the body with right and left hooks. J.G. buckles and
DOWN HE GOES AGAIN!!!!! Great body work by Rob after having him hurt.
6....7....8....9....he barely makes the count. Rob tracks him down again
and cuts him off into the corner. Rob jabs his way in past J.G.'s guard
and unleashes a left uppercut the mouthpiece comes flying out. Rob
connects with another left and right hook and the hands of J.G. drop,
the ref jumps in and THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S ALL OVER, HERE IN ROUND
3.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End Here In The
Third Round. Following Two Knockdowns, The Referee Jumped In On A
Defensless J.G. At 2:13. Your Winner By TKO, Roooooooob
Quiiijaaaaaaaanoooooooooii!!
Rob, you saw
the KO, you went for it. What can you tell us about this fight and what
do you want next?
Rob
Quijano:
JG has some strong points and
I didn't know what to expect but once he compared Tito to Gonzalez, I
knew that I had him. Much respect though to JG and I aim to continue
giving exciting fights until I can challenge a Champion.
J.G., the fight appeared close midway
through. You appeared winded coming out for round 3, what happened?
J.G.:
Man, yeah, I guess I didn't come out for the 3rd in the best that I
could have so he took advantage of that pure and simple. Anyone can get
caught doing that, but Rob was smart enough to make the move. I'll be
back.
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Fan
Fight (Oct. 3-9):
"Miguel Cotto:
Is He Just Not Good Enough To Beat The Top At 140, Or Is That Just His
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Result at Time of Stoppage:
Blue: 0,
Red: 0
Kobra-Kai TKO 1
Speed Dial |
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Corner: Speed Dial (0-1) - Cotto's Not Good
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Blue: "Cotto isnt
good enough? should be 'cotto isnt good period'. He gets hurt way to
often now. A Corley jab, Pinto had him staggering, and this unknown guy,
I cant even remeber his name, had Cotto down and the referee should have
stopped the fight in that one round where Cotto was lucky to make the
bell. Cotto wont be able to survive aginst those bigger guys. Bigger and
bigger named. Mayweather would mop the floor with Cotto. Hatton would
pulverize him, Tszyu would stretch him, and Judah would flatten him. He
has not choice but to retire in order to save what smarts he has left.
He's in deep trouble. Usually you get hurt like that at the end of your
career like Jones did and it's ok, but before youve faced the top guys?
ha, he's dead meat."
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Red:
"That's it? First let me say how
many recent or current champions do we have that have gotten off the
canvas to win? How about by KO? Arturo Gatti rings a bell right off hand
and many say he's limited in skill, but it's hard to tell from fights
like the one with Mayweather since his skill is far superior, however,
if Cotto didnt move much skill, he wouldnt have survived those rounds
where he's taken a beating, let alone to comeback and win, and let alone
again, by knockout. Trinidad is who everyone liked to compare Cotto to
at the beginning, but why do the comparisons stop once he gets dropped
and staggered? That's pretty much Trinidad right there. Down, Up, Wins!
If Cotto didnt have a chin he'd of stayed down, or been down again and
again. The knockdown against Ricardo Torres, who you didnt even remember
his name, or look up on Boxing2005.com brilliant site to find out,
scored a knockdown, but it wasn't all the legitimate. More of a slip.
But throw that out the window, he came back to floor Torres a few times
and won by knockout. That's impressive. Why watch Floyd dominate from
beginning to end when you can watch Cotto go down or get in trouble, but
take a few rounds to figure out his opponent, then win. Very few
fighters can do that. Manny Pacquiao rings a bell of a fighter than can
get in trouble, but hasn't shown to really be able to pull himself out
of it. Fighters who calculate inside the ring is more interesting than
one who is just totally dominant at times. Reason why Wright, Byrd and
Toney arent in such big fight match-ups, and why Gatti, Trinidad,
Morales and Vargas are the marquee and money fighters. Fans love
knockdowns. Fans love comebacks. These are two things Cotto has
exhibited to be able to use to his favor and I wouldnt put him down for
it. I praise him for that ability. Corrales was able to get up from
multiple knockdowns against Castillo to win a thriller. Who says
Corrales couldnt win a belt in fighting that type of style? That's Cotto
right there."
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Speed Dial comes out to begin round one with a short straight right.
Kobra ducks the punch and comes up with and uppercut that lands flush
and DOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW GOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEES Speed Dial! FIRST
PUNCH INTO THE FIGHT! 3....4....he's up on 5. He looks clear. Kobra
being patient here steps back and wait for Speed to come in again. Speed
Dial obviously surprised by the punch isn't jumping right back in there,
but lays back on the ropes and Kobra rips a left hook to the body. Speed
circles around using the ropes again, Kobra cuts off the ring and traps
him in the corner and throws a right hand, left to the body and up with
the left uppercut to the head combo and DOWN HE GOES AGAIN! Kobra
showing some real power here, Speed not offering much for defense,
appeared to go into the fight thinking it would be a brush over.
6....7...he's up on 8. Kobra comes right in the time unleashing lefts
and rights to the head. Speed getting pushed back taking the majority of
shots, finds his back to the ropes. The referee looking closesly. 2 more
unanswered right hands to the head and the referee jumps in and waives
it off and THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End Here In The
Very First Round, The Referee In Charge Stepped In And Stops The Bout At
1:47. Your Winner By TKO, Kobraaaaa-Kaaaaiiiiiii!!!!
Kobra, make it
3 first rounders. Very impressive, and what's next?
Kobra-Kai:
Well, of course I'd love
a shot at the champ soon. I feel 2 to 3 more fights and I'll be ready,
but the fight I think most fans would want to see would be me and Enzo
Macaroni or Gloria All Red. The 3 of us have the highest KO percentage
and giving Enzo much respect, I think that one could be the best fight
out there action wise. However I wont duck anyone and I'm sure there are
other possible great fights out there for me with the talent I've seen
on here.
Speed Dial, did you take this fight lightly?
Speed Dial:
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