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Neckodeemus
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September
2005's Fan
Fights:
Kobra-Kai vs. Ms. Pac-Man (Sept. 26- Oct. 2)
Kobra-Kai vs. Slicker (Sept. 19-25)
Enzo Macaroni vs. Nito (Sept. 12-18)
Neckodeemus vs. Neil1690 II (Sept. 5-11)
Championship Fan Fight
Ken_Flo vs. Chin Checker (Aug. 29-Sept. 4) |
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Fan Fight
(Sept. 26-Oct. 2):
"Who Wins The
Rematch: Erik Morales vs. Manny Pacquiao?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue: 0,
Red: 0
Kobra-Kai TKO 1
Ms. Pac-Man |
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Blue Corner:
Kobra-Kai (1-0, 1 KO) Replaces: Jesus_Chavez -
Morales
Red Corner: Ms. Pac-Man (0-1) -
Pacquiao
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Failure To Begin Round 1 Within The
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Blue: "Hopefully I can get some
rounds in on this one. Ok, dont let the Raheem fight fool you. If
anything, and you were fooled by it, then the Pacquiao undercard fight
would have fooled everyone as well because even though he did not lose
his match that night, he didnt look great and his opponent racked up
some rounds before Pacquiao was finally able to figure him out. Pacquiao
is an exciting fighter, as is Morales, however he lacks in the skill
department where Morales excells. Pacquiao is very flat footed and
thrwos punches that arent even in the boxing vocabulary. One in
particular looks like and uppercut mixed with a hook, but thrown from
the wait. What punch is that? Pacquiao is all over the place and I think
his nevers just go hay wire when he's in the ring. Not a bad thing, he
makes it work, but for anyone who can box, then Pacquiao gets outboxed.
Much like Mayorga. They both can beat better skilled fighters because
they have never seen a weird and awkward style such as this before, but
for those who are patient enough, skilled enough and even willing to mix
it up enough because they have a great chin, then those fighters get
outboxed. Much like Morales did to Pacquiao the first time. Morales went
up in weight to face Raheem. Morales also has so many punchers and
bangers, rather than any "boxer" types, therefore he really wasnt ready
for Raheem. Morales is prime to beat those big bangers. Morales likes to
go to war as does Pacquiao. If Raheem decided to go t war with Morales
he would have lost, so he did the smart thing. Pacquiao cant help but do
the not so smart thing, but whcih also puts on a great fight which is go
head to head with Morales. Morales may take some shots, but even in that
whole gloves issue that Pacquiao had in their first meeting, Morales was
the one who hurt Pacquiao more. Therefore, it's a perfect match for
Morales to win. Remember, he lost a huge fight with Barrera in their 3rd
meeting, yet came right back to beat Pacquiao who looked unstoppable at
one point. A Morales who lost to Raheem is in the same position now
going into the rematch with Pacquiao, excpet Pacquaio is going into this
one having lost the 1st time. That can change the way a fighter fights
and thinks and Morales has only shown to fight better and stronger in
those cases."
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Red: "what you talking? pacquiao
beat morales the first time even though he cheated to get softer gloves.
the scores were way off because pacquiao beat him. morales is finished
now anyway. pacquiao too strong. morales knows it. barrera beat morales,
pacquiao ko'd barrera, that means pacquiao really beat morales and that
he will do it more convincingly this time. he dont trust the judges so
he will just knock morales out. pacquiao is the best fighter in the
world right now. no one will fight him. marquez made sure not to get a
rematch because he was afraid and lucky he got a draw when they fought.
barrera is fighting people who cant win a round with him which are fana
and peden, rather than to fight pacquiao in rematch. that tells you that
the two top fighters are afraid of the best who is pacquiao so that must
mean he is the real best and superior to those two. pacquiao never lose,
pacquiao always win. pacquiao will ko morales and ko barrera again if he
ever decides not to be scared and fight him again for the titles. then
pacquiao will fight corrales and castill and hatton and beat them all
too and you will know then that pac-man is the best fighter ever."
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Kobra-Kai jumps in as a last minute replacement here and
comes out fast. Ms. Pac-Man not offering much for defense wails away
with some wild shots and Kobra is able to land a clean hard right hand
that sends Ms. Pac-Man down almost immediately after the bell has been
rung to begin the 1st round. 3....4...., she's up on 5. Ms. Pac-Man
comes right in again with her hands down and walks right into a left
hook flush on the chin and down she goes again for the 2nd time in the
round. She's stumbling around on the canvas. 5....6....7..., she's up on
8. The referee takes a good look, she's let to continue. Kobra goes in
for the kill and lands a left hook to the body followed up by a left
uppercut to the chin and down goes Ms. Pac-Man for the thrid time and
that's it, it's waived off, here in round 1.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End Here In The
Very First Round, Following 3 Knockdowns, The Referee In Charge Had No
Choice But To Stop The Action. Your Winner By TKO,
Kobraaaaa-Kaaaaiiiiiii!!!!
Kobra, back to
back 1st round victories, is this going to be your trademark?
Kobra-Kai:
Would be nice.
Ms. Pac-Man, how many fingers am I
holding up?
Ms. Pac-Man:
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Fan Fight
(Sept. 19-25):
"If Roy Jones
Jr. Happens To Beat Tarver On Oct. 1, What Next: Rematch Bernard
Hopkins, Rematch Glen Johnson, Fight Jermain Taylor, or Retire?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
10,
Red: 9
Kobra-Kai TKO 1
Slicker |
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Blue Corner:
Kobra-Kai (Debut) - Fight Hopkins
Red Corner:
Slicker (Debut) - Retire |
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Blue: "This looks great, good
luck Slicker. Ok, first off, Jones is taking a huge risk in coming back
after two brutal one punch and devastating KO's. To comeback from that,
let alone against the same guy, it most certainly means something. Of
course no one is positive or sure if Jones can do it or not. Here's
rooting he doesnt get hurt is all, but if he looks good and beats Tarver
convincingly by KO or on pts, it shows he has something left. And of all
things, Tarver is the toughest opponent for Jones at that weight class.
Fighting Hopkins would be at a lower weight, or if Hopkins would
actually be willing to move up, like he said he would, then all
advantage goes to Jones. After Hopkins lost to Taylor, it goes to show
that Hopkins age has arrived and another loss to Taylor means he might
retire, or a win means he wants the biggest fight out there. Well Winky
Wright is most definitely the top guy to fight, but that's not really a
big fight and looks boring on paper. When have either of the 2 been in
an exciting fight? I dont think too many of the boxing public could care
who really wins that one, they just want big names. Of course Hopkins vs
Winky is a fight I'd like to see, Im just saying what would make the
most money and generate the most interest. A rematch with Jones and
Hopkins would be it. If Jones wins impressively then retires, it shows a
smart side, but a smarter side would be fighting Hopkins next
because Hopkins doesnt look like he has much left. Hopkins does great
against punchers and Jones is a boxer which is exactly what Hopkins
struggles with. It would be an easy fight for Jones is he has his
bearings back vs Tarver in their 3rd fight and by beating one of the top
3 guys in beating Hopkins would put those two KO losses behind him a
bit. A great way to go out rather than on his back. But that's if he
wins next month of course."
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Red: "youre out of your mind.
jones sux ass. he was never any good to begin with. look at his resume.
he barely beat hopking when they did fight and that was hopkins coming
within no experience. if hopkins went the distance in a relatively close
fight the first time and hopkins is at the top of the ladder now, then
jones will be out for sure. did you not see jones last two fights? he
got killed. you called it 1 punch ko's, in fact it wasnt. only one was.
the loss to johnson was a thurough beating before johnson put the smack
down on him. that right there shows you how much jones doesnt have.
johnson, yes, old slow ass plodding forward all the time johnson beat
jones to the punch. jones may have been able to dodge some of those
shots in the past in his prime, but he never ever fought anyone like a
glen johnson in his prime, which is why everyone thought he was so
great. fact is, he wasnt. too busy fighting cops, sanitation workers and
making music. i give roy credit for being slick, but to be a slick
fighter and recognized as a legitimate one, you have to fight the top
guys. jones may have fought a few in the past, but he got to a point
where he realized he didnt want to get hurt after a future
showdown with him and gerald mcclellan looked very possible, then the
tragedy that occured put jones into a state of shock and he thought the
same might happen to him. ok, i wont call him a scaredy cat, but come
on, this is the sport you have chosen. hate to break the news to you
jones, but fighters die in the ring and some leave permanently injured.
this isnt a tickling contest, its punching eachother in the face trying
to render your opponent unconscious. whats more brutal than that?
football? ha, you get a helmet and loads of pads. boxing is by far the
most dangerous and if jones wasnted to take that route he shouldnt have
signed up for boxing."
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While some very top notch facts are brought up from the Red corner,
Slicker gradually goes off course in his rant and Kobra-Kai is able to
take control with a multitude of combinations. Slicker is very right
with the Jones/McClellan issue, but you never really mention the
"present", which is the issue under discussion.
* 10-9 Round to Blue * Good round by both
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight
Has Come To An Abrupt End As Slicker Has Refused To Come Out Of His
Corner To Begin Round 2. The Bell For Round 2 Has Sounded And Slicker
Has Declined To Continue Fighting.
The IFFBC Rules Kobra-Kai The Winner By TKO.
Kobra, a good
start, an awkward finish, what are your thoughts from this fight?
Kobra-Kai:
I was just getting warmed up.
Slicker, what happened?
Slicker:
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Fan Fight
(Sept. 12-18):
Nito vs. Enzo To Determine Number 1 Rank
"Who Wins:
Miguel Cotto vs. Ricky Hatton?" |
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Final Result: Blue:
38,
Red: 39
Enzo Macaroni W 4
Nito |
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Blue Corner:
Nito (5-2, 3 KO's) - Miguel Cotto
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Red Corner: Enzo Macaroni (6-3, 5 KO's) -
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Blue:
"With Neil being TKO’d by Necko this is for the number 1 spot. Enzo
you are a big dog and this is a fight that had to be made but enough
praising for now. Aight lets get it on…
First let me start off that I was
never big on Kostya Tyszu.Never. I thought he was one of the most
overrated fighters and he was proof that the Ring magazine has a bit
of politics within itself. Kostya in my personal opinion never took
advantage of his Undisputed Championship. Im saying this because as
we all now he lost to your pick of Hatton. Now im gonna be direct in
this. Hatton won and was the better man but it was a sloppy,
inartistic, foul filled, clinch fest in my view. There was nothing
that impressed me. Hatton was just in better shape and more prepared
for the old man. Now this .brings upshe overrated rating by ring
magazine. Ring says Floyd is unbeatable and he is pound for pound
and hatton looks like he is made to order for Floyd yet hatton is
there champ at 140 which does not make sense. I feel Hattons win
over Kostya did not bring him to the pound for pound circle its just
made kostya not as invincible as everyone thought. I could name 5
other juinor welterweights that could give hatton trouble but lets
stick to one.. Cotto.. Cotto is stronger, bigger, and im my opinion
just down right better than hatton. His punches are more compact
than hatton.. Hatton is a swarmer, he wants to smother his opponent
which can work if an opponent is not ready for it or has been
inactive like kostya. He just keeps punching which leaves him open.
Lets not beat around the bush..His defense has more holes than swiss
cheese.. A lot of people are gonna bring up the body punching.. I
think cotto is a better body puncher.. his hooks are short, compact
and hard.. while hatton just keeps throwing to the body.. hatton is
busier but cotto’s all around balance and power are no joke..
Quantity isn’t always better than quality. Cotto will not be pushed
around like kostya was. He is young and has more pop in both
hands..Well get more into this as the rounds go. There will be no
doubt that both fighters will land but Cotto has the power and
strength. Hatton is not gonna push around a young 155 pound(after
the weigh in of course) junior welterweight."
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Red:
"Same to you Nito, but you left a few holes
for my straight right, and I hope to capitalise on them.
Let's start at the top (ding ding).
The fact you were "never big on Kostya Tzsyu" brings nothing to the
table, the fact is he was the man in the light-welterwight division, in
many peoples top 3 P4P and an overwhelming favourite to beat Ricky
Hatton. Overrated or not, he had/has pedigree, a phenomenenal punch and
class, especially offensively - he was a great fighter and it took a
great fighter to beat him.
And to call it a sloppy fight is unfair, of course it was scrappy at
times but that was the plan, to grind Kostya down, wear him out, take
him to the deepest, darkest waters and drown him. Outwork him, outspeed
him and outhustle him, roughing him up and, generally, making his night
as miserable as possible.
And the same would happen if Cotto faced him, only I believe it would be
easier. Cotto is a very pedestrian boxer, he only moves through the
gears when it suits him, and the Pinto bout is an example of how lazy he
can be. Sure, he is a good fighter, but nobody has really pressurised
him, nobody with the chin and ability give him a fight over the
distance, with the exception of N'dou.
There may be "five other junior welterweights to give Hatton trouble",
but there are not five others who can beat him, there is one, and that's
Mayweather, not Miguel Cotto.
And Cotto is not stronger than Hatton, Hatton would push him all over
the ring and work him over, roughing him up on the inside. His punches,
though compact, are probably on a par with Hatton's, but you say he is a
better body puncher, and that my friend is absolutely ridiculous.
Ricky steals the body from rounds 1-4 and is a dominant pressure
fighter, in my opinion only Barrera is a better body puncher today.
Hatton's defence has improved with every fight, he does get hit but has
a solid chin, unlike Pinto, who was outboxing Cotto before his glass jaw
threw away victory.
Cotto does not punch harder than Tzsyu, Corley and Abdullaev showed he
has many flaws and can be hit, and as you admit Hatton is the busier
fighter of the two, his pressure and relentlessness would beat Cotto by
late stoppage."
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The Fan Fight to determine number one rank is underway as these two top
p4p Fan Fighters meet for the very first time. Respect is shown by both
and here we go.
Great start by Nito as he gets to work early using a multitude of
combinations rather than one specific punch. Braking down Tszyu, Hatton
and Cotto to begin round 1. Enzo comes right back at Nito and counters
every shot and offering some combinations of his own. Beautiful counter
right hands from Enzo gives him an edge here. Enzo bringing up some
major "facts" to counter several of Nito's "opinions".
* 10-9 Round to Red * Great Round
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Red:
"I'll concentrate on my man for a while, as
I've already pointed out several of Cotto's flaws, notably his slow pace
and difficulty in adapting to other styles.
You feed him a jab and he struggles to get past it, waiting until his
opponent gets reckless before unloading himself with single shots. He
does not have quick hand speed, unlike Ricky.
Ricky Hatton has come a long way from the likes of Tackie and Oliveira
to the man we see now. They were reasonably impressve performances, as
was the beating of Magee, who has proved on occasion what smart boxer he
is. Sure, he had Ricky in trouble early, but he got through it.
He just gets better and better, he showed agaisnt Tszyu that his punches
are getting harder, he's picking his body shots better and most
importantly, he is totally disciplined.
They went in with a game plan, they stuck to it. End of story. Hatton
was never going to knock him out early, it was always going to be a
matter of time and pressure, and it paid off.
That may not be the right strategy against Cotto, who is a much younger
fighter, reasonably fresh, strong and, unbeaten.
The point is, he is not better than Kostya, he can be hit....Hatton may
have to walk through some of Cotto's "bombs", but they aren't in the
same ball park (power-wise) as those of the Thunder from Down Under.
Hatton has a good chin, we can put a tick in that box, but does Cotto?
He was very shaken by Corley........and STAMINA is a huge factor here.
When Cotto goes past seven rounds he has a tendency to slow down even
further (N'dou and John Brown are examples)..
And why is Hatton being slated for taking on Maussa? Ricky is hungry and
wants to unify.....since Cotto won his belt last year he's fought a
series of also-rans and over-the-hill guys with no pop....why is he not
fighting the likes of Mayweather or Judah, why is there no talk of a
grandstand fight for him?
Hatton would walk through him in eight, after a couple of close rounds,
I can't see anything other than that to be honest, Cotto hasn't beaten
anyone of Hatton's calibre, let alone Tzsyu's."
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Blue:
"Ok enzo. I seriously
think you are a bit too high on Hatton. Do not get it twisted before the
Kostya fight those “a
series of also-rans and over-the-hill guys with no pop” that cotto
fought were a lot better then the comp Hatton was fighting.. dog the
tackie’s and olviera’s were just a couple fights ago.. so when you say
hatton has come along way he really hasn’t.. enzo hatton record was
padded.. besides kostya he has fought C- fighters at best.. The Maussa
topic. Yeah Hatton wants to fight him. Who wouldn’t want to fight Maussa?????
If you looking for a belt and you needed an easy option of course you
would want to fight maussa. Oh lets point out the fact Cotto Ko maussa
quite easily. So take that into consideration before you praise him as
Hatton next opponent. Ok man Hatton “boxing” skills are not as good as u
make them out to be.. He looked like young version of John Ruiz to me.
Punch Clinch Wrestle. I mean Kostya quit. It looked more like he
couldn’t catch his wind due to the rough housing tactics of hatton. I
mean don’t get me wrong the kid won. He did what he had to do. And got
the W. But I might be in the minority but ill go head and say it “I was
not impressed”. He beat an old man who really wasn’t prepared. And I
wasn’t a blow out. Koysta was still in the fight but he quit. Now hatton
got the win. But besides that win his record is full with no hopers..
Cotto has been in with decent competition. So does Hatton average of
opposition like Kostya then the second recognizable name is Tackie the
Oliveira and Magee balance against cotto steady feast on Corley, Ndou,
Abduallah, and Pinto. I really don’t think so. Cotto might be fighting
B- and C+ guys but hatton is average is one A- guy and a lot of C- to F
guys. Comparing defense. Ok. Cotto does get hit but he has 2 times
better defense than hatton. Hatton has been hit with so many punches
from bottom of the barrel competition..ok bring up the Corley fight… Yep
Cotto was hurt but he composed himself. It was the bad stoppage that
really put a black eye on Cotto. Now hatton was dropped my eamon magee.
An decent fighter but not as accomplished as Corley. Corley can punch a
bit. He hurts floyd also and was a former world champion unlike magee..
As I said I don’t see hatton doing well against strong, determined, and
confident fighter such as Ndou. Hatton is sloppy while Cotto is more
fluent and has better footing than hatton. Like we both say Hatton is
busier but quantity isn’t always better than quality. Cotto can bang so
don’t expect hatton just to walk him down as u say. I feel cotto is much
better fighter than hatton outside and in. Hatton will throw more and
clinch and wrestle with cotto much like he did Koysta difference is
Cotto is not old, not inactive, and extremely hungry. He is not gonna
out rough a stronger cotto like he did koytsta. And he will feel a real
body shot from a good left hooker…"
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Blue:
"Aight Enzo. Its been
a good fight as expected. Now let me verify what I mean by average
hattons and cottos opponents. If were to combine the best 3-5 opponents
of both fighters you could make the case that hatton only has one
opponent out of the 5. Hattons koysta, then cotto’s corley, ndou. Cotto
took on prospects like Pinto, Abdullah which were IMO like Taylor
beating Edourd . He beat a young fellow contender in his division.Then
Cotto was fed his lightweight contenders in Sosa and Bazan. Plus his
knockout of Mausa. The man you are praising Hatton for fighting or
suppose to be fighting. All this while your guy just pounded on second
rate fighters like Mike Stewart and Vilches who was knocked out by the
hector Camacho-ish Shramba Mitchell. Of course his wins of the Europeon
Circuit fighters like Pederson. Oh yeah and the Gate keeper Ben Tackie.
Don’t forgert Freddie Pendleton. See enzo Cotto resume is not as bad as
you say. Remember when u say Cotto has never fought someone like hatton.
Well Hatton has never fought no one like cotto. Young, Active, Strong
and Skilled. See Kostya WAS that. But when Hatton fought him a case can
be made that Tysu was not young and was not active. And it caught up to
him. Hatton win over Tysu did not make him a pound for pound fighter it
just leveled the playing field. I wouldn’t give hatton a given win
agaist Corley, Ndou, Witter. I wouldn’t give Hatton a chance vs.
Mayweather. Fighting Mausa makes sense he seems to be made to order for
Hatton. Remember with Cotto, Mausa is just “been there, done that”
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Red:
"I
wouldn't say, by any means, that Tackie, Magee and Vince
Phillips are a level below the likes of Bailey and Corley,
though Chop Chop was a handful...in many ways these fights
were tougher tests, and proved that in the ring.
Of course
Hatton has come a long way, he's just become IBF champ and
defeated one of the best boxers of the last 15 years, and
beaten him well, and Maussa himself has come a long way, how
can you say he hasn't, he's the WBA champ, Hatton wants to
unify and this is the logical step....SIMPLE.
And when
looking for a belt Hatton went after the toughest challenge,
so I don't think his heart is in question, though a lot of
these points don't even relate to the argument, which is
whether Cotto would beat Hatton or vice versa, it's just
waffle on your part.
Hatton's
boxing skills are vastle underrrated, he's a superb pressure
fighter but also has great footwork, he is superb when going
to the body, keeps a reasonably tight guard (when fighting
top fighters, not relaxing, which he wouldn't be here) and
has amazing stamina...a lot like Aaron Pryor, he'll just
keep coming and coming all night, Cotto couldn' cope with
that at all.
I'd also
be interested to know WHY and HOW you won the last round
because the judges made no statement? Fair enough if they
thought you won it, would just have been good to hear some
constructive criticism.
I mean,
you said you were not impressed with the Tszyu win, you must
be the only "alleged" boxing fan who wasn't, it was a shock,
a great performance mixing heart, skill and pressure, all of
which would beat Cotto.
But you
said: "Cotto does get hit but he has 2 times better defense
than hatton". Rubbish. Pinto jabbed Cotto's head off in
their fight but has a glass jaw and got KO'd, Abdullaev was
outboxing him for long periods and people like N'Dou and
Maussa were tailor-made for his slow, sloppy style because,
like Cotto, they are pedestrian.
And I
feel Cotto has beaten good fighters in Corley and Abdullaev,
but he's never taken a HUGE risk like Hatton did, nobody
expected Bailey or the above to trouble him, they were
opponents, that's it....I've NEVER seen Cotto show HEART and
COURAGE...he's come through slight rough patches but never
faced that much adversity, he would have to take it against
Hatton, I don't think he could live with it...Hatton would
swarm all over him.
My final
point for this round, you've already admitted they are "on a
level playing field"...which means you have them even going
into the fight, thus disregarding your previous three pieces
saying Cotto is a much better fighter? Strange tactic....I
feel Hatton is the better fighter, there is no level playing
field."
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Red:
"To the fight itself.
The bell rings and Hatton comes out fast, though I can see Cotto
countering well and holding him off, for perhaps 2/3 rounds, while Ricky
swarms all over him.
Cotto isn't going to tire that easily, but he HATES fighting at pace,
and with body shots ripping in from start to finish of each round,
something he's never really had to deal with, by the middle rounds he'll
be blowing.
Unless he can up the pace, which I've never seen him do bar the way he
came out at the bell and KO'd Pinto, he'll be done by round 9 or 10.
Hatton is faster than him, punches hard, has a great chin (if Tszyu
couldn't do it, Cotto won't) and is better at pressuring. In my opinion,
Cotto does not have one-punch KO power, he beats men with an
accumulation
of hard punches.
To do that he has to get close to Hatton, but with Hatton right in his
face, there will be little room for long, looping hooks and again, I
don't think Cotto's jab is his best weapon.
He WILL be broken down, overwhelmed, if by chance Cotto makes it to the
final bell - and I know Ricky will - he will have been soundly beaten on
points.
I can only think of a handful of rounds Ricky had lost in his career
before facing Tszyu, he works every second of every round, it would be
too much for Miguel who, despite his solid defence, would be tailor-made
for Hatton because he doesn't dance, comes forward and is slow and
sloppy at times."
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Blue:
"Ok nevermind the delay.. The bell
rings.Yeah Hatton comes out fast, Cotto counters and counters and hits
him with harder pinpoint shots. Swarmers leave themselves wide open for
counters. Cotto is not some chump. He is gonna put some pain on hatton.
And Hatton will realize its young man vs. young man. not young man vs.
inactive, old man. You think hatton is just gonna stand to cotto
punches.?? You say Hatton chin is great.?? So you would agree that Eamon
Maggee is a harder puncher than Koysta?? Didnt think so. Hatton might be
faster but that is his only advantage its a not like he has super
speed.He just throws a lot of punches. If you think cotto beats men by
an accumalation of shots then what does hatton do????? All he does is
use rough house tactics to D+ fighters. The clean hardest punch Hatton
land on TYsu was the low blow. You can only think of a handful of rounds
Ricky has lost. Look at who he fights? Just cause you have beaten 1 A
fighters a lot of 5 D- and 20 F fighters and about two C+ fighters the
average is still F. Talk about Cotto performances agaisnt Ndou and
Corley but Frank Warren would never put hatton in the ring with them.
Look man in boxing just cause you beat the man doesnt mean you are the
man. Hatton is just like Corry Spinks. Yeah he beat the man but put him
in with a top contender and he ill possibly lose. And dont talk about
cotto not facing adversity. What adversity has Hatton had. If you fight
hatton you basically have to go to his town, fight in front his people,
deal with frank warren, and man should hatton lose in manchester who
ever should beat hatton should fear for his life. Hatton has been hand
fed everything in his boxing carreer. So know your probably gonna say
well he is the champ so now the have to manchester. But wait tysu was
the champ when they fough?? Ok he got koysta at the end of his carreer.
look for a bunch of easy outing including Maussa before the real deals
at 140 come knocking on the door. Im talking about mayweather and cotto.
Now lets size up Hatton-Cotto. One
in his prime strong fighter. The other has short compact hooks that have
proven to knock out fighters. Cotto is stronger and a better technician.
Hatton is sloppy, clinches and fouls. Hatton might swarm cotto, but
cooto is sneaky he throws combos at better angles and hatton just
basically needs you on the ropes to throw combos. His defense is worse
than cotto's man ben tackie was able to hit hatton frequently. Cotto
will have a much easier time of that. For every 3 hooks hatton gets it,
cotto just to throw one and his will do more damage."
An unusual twist halfway
thorough the 4th round, Enzo and Nito clashed heads and Nito went to his
corner in obvious pain. A cut over Nito's left eye began to pour blood
and it looked like this one was about to be called off on a tech Draw.
Nito in obvious search for more time wanted a full round to stop the
bleeding, but like a true fighter he is, he came out to finish the round
with the bloody eye.
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, Before We Read The Scorecard, Please Give
A Round Of Applause In What Was One Tough And Heated Battle Between Two
Of The Top Fan Fighters That Most Certainly Deserves An Encore.
The Scoring Is As Follows, 39 to 38, To Your Winner And Now Recognized
As The Number 1 Ranked Fan Fighter....
Ennnzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooo Maaaaaaaaccaaroooooooooooooniiiiiiiiii!!!!!!
Enzo, a very close fight. A nasty headbutt in the final round. Is there
still unanswered questions between you two that calls for a rematch?
Enzo Macaroni:
Good fight by Nito (man)
he gave it all he had (man) and put up a good
show. I'd give him a rematch anytime, he deserves it, hope his eye heals
quick so I can pound him again soon. No, seriously, good fight
Nito.......let me see, who's next..... :O)
Nito, you showed some great
heart in coming out to finish the round with one eye. It obviously
affected your vision and you were hit more frequent
in the final round, but the heart you showed made it a draw round.
What are your thoughts on this and do you want a rematch before Enzo
challenges Neckodeemus for the title?
Nito:
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Fan Fight
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I.F.F.B.C. Championship
Fan Fight
REMATCH: Neil vs. Necko II
"Who Wins A
Rematch: Barrera vs. Pacquiao?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue-Red:
29-29, 28-29, 29-28
Neckodeemus TKO 3
Neil1690 |
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Blue Corner:
Neckodeemus
(10-2, 6 KO's) -
Marco Antonio Barrera
Red Corner: Neil1690 (5-3, 3 KO's) I.F.F.B.C. Champ -
Manny Pacquiao
Judges: "Threat"(Ref), "The Real Meal", "Jr. Middle" |
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-Round 1 - |
Blue:
"Ok so it is "Who wins a rematch: Barrera
or Pac-Man?" Easy, the better more rounded fighter will win and that is
Barrera...can I get my title back now? You want more? Shit man Ok then.
Before my opponent launches an endless monologue about Junior Jones,
rematches always living up to the first fight (except in case of Barrera
- Morales II naturally)...Blah...styles make fights
(they do not skills make styles and Marco is a skill master)...Blah...let
me state quite clearly that based on form and skills Barrera wins this
fight when it takes place. Forget the fact that Barrera lost fight I,
forget he lost it by TKO because that is not indicative he will lose
fight II because as Lennox Lewis and Tarver show you can throw fight I
out with the bath water when it comes to picking fight II.
When picking a fight you have to ask who is the form guy and who is the
better fighter, "Barrera" is the decisive answer
because for many of the uninitiated the big win Pac-Man scored was seen
as the end of Marco and the dawn of the age of Pac-Man...evidently this
view was a knee-jerk one. Since the loss Marco has become the first man
to BEAT Ayala in true beat-down fashion and he got a minor win over that
guy Erik Morales, you know the guy that recently had to go southpaw and
tie his hands up to give Pac-Man a clear round? What has Pac-Man done
since he beat a poorly prepared and mentally not-at-the-race Barrera
(more about that later)? First up he knocked Marquez down three times in
a round then lost pretty much every single round after that, he
looked as 1-D as his pre-Playstation nickname in doing it as well; it
was a good job he got those KDn's as without them it would have been a
whitewash. As it stands apologists point to the scoring of that first
round as decisive as Pac-Man only got 10 - 7 on one card...maybe that
judge saw him deliberately whack Marquez when his (Marquez)
back was on the ropes and one fist was on the canvas (in my book that
means the ref should jump in and deduct a point as well as not calling
the KDn, there is a just God in boxing after all and he made sure
Pac-Man did not go unpunished). So his fans watched their man get
exposed as lacking top-level guile and point to a single round as
indicating dominance, I think not! Next up was Fahsan 3K Battery Por
Thawatchai (easier to beat him than pronounce his name) before another
big fight and yet another expose on the limited Pac-Man by Morales
(himself coming off a decisive LOSS to Barrera), now
Erik is limited in that he gets distracted and drawn into a brawl but
still we found Pac-Man being out-boxed and then out-fought...what? His
cut distracted him? DIDDUMS! How do you think Barrera
felt after being cut by a headbutt versus Pac-Man (point
deduction indicates some deliberation)? All in all lightning struck once
and the less skilled fighter won but it won't happen again, it is not
even a case of styles as Marco can switch styles and came out too
aggressive in fight one, we have now seen that Pac-Man is absurdly easy
to out-box so Marco will opt to do this and his superior skills will be
too much for Pac-Man as they have been in his (Pac-Mans) two most recent
big fights. At the highest level Marco does his thing and has done for
years, Pac-Man did it once but has shown no sign that he belongs at the
top, fight one was an aberration and in fight II Marco will box the 1-D
slugger at a distance and his preparation will be bang-on again as last
time he had too many outside distractions and one thing about Marco is
that he is a guy who prepares carefully for fights. My opponent may say
Barrera has met his match stylistically but I don't think so and will do
one of my famous Neckodeemus stylistic analysis later but for now
consider that Pac-Man is a 1-D slugger who is an unorthodox southpaw
that has recently become power crazy and easy to figure out...a la
Naseem Hamed once was, look for Barrera by wide points if they meet
again, Pac-Man is a busted flush who had fortunate timing as Marco was
legitimately distracted in the build-up to fight I.
Barrera wins fight II as he is a legend but
Pac-Man is a hype monster..."
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Red: "Good first round Necko, I
especially loved your use of bold, caps lock, underline and
italics........! Right, time to get serious...
I shall ignore your Morales baiting and concentrate on the issues at
hand, though Junior Jones will be mentioned as he is a legitimate case
and point in this fan-fight. First off, I cannot believe you have just
decided to dismiss the first fight and compare it to Rahman's win over
Lewis and Tarver's win over Jones. These were one punch KO's and Jones
Jr proved to be practically 'shot' anyway. Many thought Barrera was
'shot' as you say becuase nobody believed that the great Barrera could
be beaten so baldly. And see, that's the thing Necko, you have dug your
own grave by pointing out that Barrera was in fact 'not shot' (proven by
his subsequent performances), but was simply brutally and systematically
beaten by Pacman for ELEVEN rounds, not just caught by a lucky punch
like Lewis was against Rahman. Barrera lost every single round apart
from the first which he was gifted by a ridiculous refereeing decision.
Your claims that a rematch would be different because Barrera can
'switch styles' does not add up because he tried EVERYTHING against Pac
and very quickly abandoned his aggressive stance after feeling Pac's
left hand. Marco tried everything from boxing on the outside, to going
toe-to-toe, to fouling (a specific trait of Barrera's when he is
struggling), to actually asking the ringside doctor to disqualify
Pacquaio after a clash of heads (that is not a joke btw, watch the
tape).
Barrera was simply unable to deal with Manny's speed and power-
something that raised its head earlier in Barrera's career in the form
of Junior Jones. Barrera has a good chin, but there are question marks
when it comes to taking shots from 'elite punchers' (Pac and formerly
Jones possessed 'one punch' KO power). Manny's relentlessness meant
that Barrera was unable to get himself together and had absolutely
nothing to do with Barrera's pre-fight distractions. Perhaps Barrera's
cut did shake him up further, but the momentum was already in Pac's
favour and did not radically alter the pattern which had been set by Pac
already. What happened to Barrera's awesome 'ring generalship', you
know that 'ring generalship' that was supposed to have carried him some
of the early rounds vs Morales in fight two??????
Pac was very much not 1-D against Barrera, working behind a solid jab
and landing 3-4 punch combinations and employing a very strong body
attack which had Marco noticeably retreating. Admittedly, Manny was
more 1-D vs Marquez but it was understandable after his awesome first
round and he must have thought that he would have KO'd him eventually.
However, my interpretation was that Pac pulled himself together and in
many of the later rounds outworked and outlanded a very tired Marquez.
Marquez fought well to come back, but what that fight showed was that no
matter how slick a boxer you are, it is virtually impossible to keep the
super-quick, super intensive Fillipino away for twelve rounds. Morales
is lucky that he has the best chin in boxing as he took some fierce
shots from the Pacman and was more hurt in the 12th round than I have
ever seen him. For me, Manny improved significantly in his performance
against Morales and, whilst he still head-hunted a little too often with
the left hand, there was much more variety in his work, especially to
the body and looked more like the Manny who wrecked Barrera. Certainly
the judges and most ringside observers saw a close decision, so I am not
sure what fight you were watching if you had the fight 119-109 for
Erik. Right, that's enough punishment for now, as in round 2 I am gonna
bust you up with the numerous other openings you have given me to
counter punch......."
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Round 1 begins the rematch between Neckodeemus and Fan Fight Champ
Neil1690. Their 1st fight back in February (21-27) was a war which
Neckodeemus gave Neil his 1st loss on a very close scoring fight. The
two come out as if it was round 5 of their first fight, taking no time
to get used to one another. A great round here by both as they throw
precision shots throughout the round. The action is packed as the two
trade the entire round.
"Threat": * 10-10 Round *
"The Real Meal": * 10-9 Round To Red *
"Jr. Middle": * 10-9 Round To Blue *
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Red: "Ok, lets consider a few
more points. Pre-fight, Barrera did not seem to think that any of these
'so-called' distractions that you dredged up would affect him. Quote: "I
am well and I am going to show everyone that Marco Antonio Barrera can
fight". All Marco showed that night was that he was able to take a
beating for eleven rounds. Next, the words of Oscar De La Hoya,
Barrera's promoter, stating that there was a rematch clause in the
contract and it was likely that they would fight again. What happened
to that?????????? It is obvious to the boxing community that Barrera
wants no part of pacman again, he has been psychologically destroyed and
this will weigh down on Barrera's shoulders if he ends up being
pressurised into a rematch. This was similar to the Junior Jones
scenario, he had far too much respect for Jones in the rematch. It is
understandable though that Marco would not want to get into the ring
with Pacquaio again. Most people would want to avoid that sort of
beating again. In saying that, he cannot go about saying "I will fight
who the public decides", and then go and fight the likes of Fana.
Boxing fans have been clamouring for a rematch for years now so Barrera
is telling downright lies and it is hardly suprising that many fans
think he wants nothing to do with Manny.
The next topic that I have to take issue with is your absurd comments
suggesting that Manny is not a top-level contender. As pointed out
before, he smashed Barrera, drew with Marquez and lost narrowly to
Morales, all pound-for pound fighters. And for the record, that first
round should have been scored 10-6 vs Marquez because unless the referee
signals a point deduction (which he didn't in this case), then the
judges have to score based upon what happened in the round and that was
three knockdowns for Pacman. Dress it up anyway you want, but at the
end of the day it cost Manny victory and the judge accepted that he
should have scored it 10-6 thus really Pac was robbed in this respect.
So of course Manny is a top level fighter, you don't have a 37%
connection rate against a fighter as talented as Barrera and not be a
top level operator. If Manny is able to even land 25% of his punches in
a rematch then I would expect him to win because he hits so damn
hard..... And lets not forget that Manny has a height, reach and
strangely enough weight advantage over Barrera,(check the tale of the
tape, Manny was the bigger man when they came into the ring at
featherweight), and thus your idea that Barrera can simply box on the
outside is not as plain and simple as what you may think
sunshine........"
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Blue:
"You took 24+ hours to come up with that? And how do you counter
punch in a round you start? Before I go onto your second round give
me time to point out a glaring contradiction in your first. You say
Pac-Man beat Marquez by virtue of that first round right? You must
because you admit:
"Admittedly, Manny was more 1-D vs
Marquez but it was understandable after his awesome first round and
he must have thought that he would have KO'd him
eventually." Sounds very Naseem Hamed to me...who beat that
guy?
So either he is or is not 1-D since Barrera
or just more 1-D, so you must think he
was 1-D to start with right? Bear in mind that
he has beaten Barrera once and that could be equated in his mind to
a first round and the job done for the rematch, as his fans seem to
assume, so maybe he will be 0.5-D in the rematch
due to a victors complacency, if he can do it after a round believe
me he will do it after a fight. He will go power crazy in fight II
making the job easy for Barrera. As for the pre-fight circumstances
no matter what Barrera says you cannot dispute the fact that his
training was ruined by a natural disaster and a piece of medical
information came to light that had many speculating as to his
ability to fight healthily, this would effect anyone my boy! All
those people telling Barrera he was not fit to box or may be a risk
will have hung a black cloud over him which explains his hesitancy
when the fight wore on as well as his wanting to end it early, this
is disruptive to a patient master-boxer. As I also predicted you
bring in Junior Jones which has no bearing but if you insist then
why not mention that in fight I Barrera lost decisively then came
back in fight II made adjustments and many judged him an unlucky
loser, all he needed was one extra round and the cards would have
read one to Jones, one for Barrera and the draw. That is
hardly fighting scared and getting hammered, he came back, he
adjusted and many felt he deserved a win over Jones, you need to
watch this fight rather than reading about it.
You are right though Barrera did
claim he would fight who the public decides and the public decided
Morales III, like Pac-Man a big, strong and solid puncher but guess
what? After regrouping from the Pac-Man loss Marco did what no other
fighter does and took his by now customary win over Morales who
judging aside made Pac-Man and his claims of a new punch look inept
for many rounds. As for Manny Vs Marquez I made my case concerning
that first round but why haven't you retorted by pointing out all
the other big rounds Manny won Vs Marquez? Because Marquez won
pretty much eleven straight give or take a round? So how do you
get Manny on points? As for connection rates all that little fact
does is show that Barrera did take it for eleven rounds
before his corner dragged him out which hardly makes Manny a Tyson-esque
finisher does it! Everyone in boxing knows that subsequent
performances by both men have shown that Barrera was not Barrera
that night and Manny has not dazzled since, you also leave out my
mention that Manny butted Marco in fight I, hardly a comforting
thing for a man with question marks over his suitability to fight to
contend with. Manny may be a top-level fighter but
he only really proved it once, Barrera has done it for
years son, he is legend-level...he will prevail,
that is what he has done since 1989!"
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"Threat": * 10-9
Round To Red *
"The Real Meal": * 10-9 Round To Red *
"Jr. Middle": * 10-9 Round To Red *
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Blue:
"And
lets not forget that Manny has(d [- they are not fighting tomorrow you
know]) a height, reach and strangely enough weight advantage over
Barrera and thus your idea that Barrera can simply box on the outside is
not as plain and simple as you may think sunshine........"
Yet again you leave yourself with your hands down rushing head onto
counters, much like your fighter, because you are basically saying that
Barrera is too small with too limited a reach to outbox Manny from
outside. Funny though because Marquez although slightly taller had a
shorter reach than Pac-Man and both men
weighed the same officially so your size matters theory is redundant
because Marquez outboxed Manny on the OUTSIDE despite a reach
disadvantage. Again you show a lack of knowledge because reach does
not mean everything it is how well you time your jab and Marquez times
it well but when he is focussed Barrera times it excellently as shown in
Morales III. Also Manny is big in the chest indicating a greater ability
to absorb weight well so he is bound to put a little more weight on than
his opponent and carry it effectively yet still he was outboxed at range
in his recent decisive fights suggesting the Barrera loss was an
aberration. Why am I banging on about Marquez?...which is better than
you with Jones as that was a boxing eternity ago...Marquez for all his
skills is Marco-lite so if he can outbox Manny then make no bones about
the fact that Marco can do it. You say Manny hits too hard but is he as
big and hard a puncher than Morales? Did he finish Barrera when it was
clear Marco was hurt a few times in their fight? He had a distracted
Marco before him yet did not put him away cleanly which indicates to me
that a fully focussed Marco will be more than
capable of out-boxing a man you claim is bigger, he did it with Morales
who is much better than Paccy, and don't bang-on about styles making
fights as many said this after the first Jones loss but Marco fared
better in fight II aside from the decision, it was not a massacre as
some (you) suggest. I think that in the case of Manny the glass is
half-full in that he is a very good offensive fighter but no matter how
many punches he and Freddy Roach claim to invent he is 1-D but that
one-dimension is pretty good when allowed to
be. However Marco has proven that he can go away and adapt, especially
after a defeat, and even you cannot deny this, Marquez gave Manny a
wake-up call that was not heeded IMO so you have to ask how a 1-D guy
like Manny is going to fight against a guy he has beaten once already. I
think he will go for the KO and Marco may have some hairy moments but he
will box well on the outside and since fight I he has perfected that
left-hook/uppercut and used it well against the aggressive Morales.
Another point you made is that a fighter who takes a prolonged beating
is never going to return to top-level, well how about Julio Cesar
Gonzalez who took a prolonged beating from Roy Jones, multiple KDn's and
came right the way back (and IMO has a great chance versus Woods this
Friday night). He didn't have the pedigree of Barrera either but it
shows a beating is not the end for you if you are smart and he is
Mexican too! Never discount Marco Antonio Barrera, he decodes
fighters when he is up to scratch and Manny has had blueprints laid out
all over him in his two recent big fights. I respect Manny, you should
extend beyond your dislike of Marco and respect Marco, but he won't beat
Barrera again IMO. You are judged on recent form and your last fight or
two, in this case look to Marco on points."
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Red:
"Necko, Necko, Necko, it is painfully
obvious when you start getting desperate and start distorting the truth
wildly. First of all, at no point did I say Barrera is 'too small' to
box Pacquaio, I simply stated the advantages that Manny had and thus
your plan would not be so easy to execute. To be absolutely fair,
Barrera was clueless on the outside in the first fight, he simply did
not know hot to fend the Fillipino off, and when Manny was in range he
basically covered up his face as best he could until he could find an
opening to get away. He simply could not deal with Manny's power and
this is the difference between Marco and Erik. Morales has a better
chin, this is undisputable shown by the fact that he has never been
legitmately knocked down. Barrera caught Manny with a few decent
punches and the Fillipino was unfazed which would have me believe that
Pacquaio has a good enough chin to withstand Barrera's punishment,
especially when also considering the punches he took from a solid
puncher in Morales. Marquez fought well against Pacman, but my
interpretation was that Manny did enough to win and thus I do not agree
that a blueprint has been laid down. For the record I had Manny winning
rounds 1,2,3,9,10, and 12 Vs Marquez totalling a 114-111 win. As I
admitted earlier, Pacman did get sloppy and a bit wild during the middle
rounds, allowing a slick counter-puncher (with decent power as well) in
Marquez to get back in the fight. But manny's sheer conditioning,
stamina and relentlessness pulled out the victory in my eyes and it is
this intensity that will overwhelm Barrera just like it did in the first
fight. Morales was able to withstand it because he brings the same
attributes to the table and has the chin to stand in front of Pacquaio.
Next, where did I say that Junior Jones 'hammered' Barrera in their
rematch??? All I said was that Barrera had trouble with JJ's style and
could not cope with his speed and power just like Pacman. True, he
changed his style in the rematch, but this was only to prevent himself
from getting knocked out again. The fact of the matter is he still lost
the fight. You act as if just because it went the distance that somehow
this is a tremendous achievement. He still lost, fair and square, and
thus was unable to 'decode' JJ as you suggest. I suspect that a similar
situation will occur with Manny, but he will be more cautious in the
earlier rounds and thus may survive the distance, but will lose heavily
on points with a couple of knockdowns thrown in again.
And finally to the all-time classic fabrication in your last
paragraph where incredibly you imply that I said no fighter could return
from a prolonged beating. Again, please show me where I said this.
Plenty of fighters have come back from beatings before, in fact
Gonzalez's opponent- Clinton Woods- suffered a beating against Jones Jr
and from Glen Johnson in their second fight but still recovered to pick
up a version of a world title. I know this, you know this, everybody
knows that it is possible for a fighter to come back (just not always
against the same opponent who adminstered the beating!!!) so why start
this slander is beyond me. However, as I touched upon in round 2, I
think as far as Pacquaio is concerned the damage has already been done.
Pac has his number and fight 1 showed to me that there was simply
nothing that Barrera could do about it...."
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"Threat": * 10-9
Round To Blue *
"The Real Meal": * 10-9 Round To Blue *
"Jr. Middle": * 10-9 Round To Blue *
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
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* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End. It Appears The
Recent Loss At The Hands Of Zahir Raheem Has Put One Of Erik Morales'
Biggest Fans In A Minor Coma And Shock State And Is Unable To Come
Out To Begin Round 4. The I.F.F.B.C. Rules Yous Winner By TKO, AND
NEEEEEEEEEW CHAMPPPPPIIIIOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN....
NECCKOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMUUUUUUSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! |
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Neckodeemus, you now join Neil as the only 2, Two-Time Fan Fight
Champions, yet the only to hold two victories over Neil now. Give us
your thoughts, and another possible rematch looms with the winner of the
Nito vs. Enzo match. What do you see in that one?
Neckodeemus:
I knew this fight was
mine and am bemused that Eugenia Williams was around to score round
two for Neil, I knew once I closed the gap in three he would quit out,
it is unfortunate
though as the KO was coming in the fourth, this guy cannot beat me. I'll
take whoever wins
this weeks match, I fancy Enzo to win it and we could have another
Hagler/Ray Robinson
debate, at middleweight naturally. As my uncle Jigga would say I Big
Pimped this
fight...Baby! No guy named after a sexual act can beat me, Neil 69er let
your excuses
roll.
Neil, another great and close fight, and yet another that ends in
similar fassion. Nito and Enzo fight for the number 1 rank and you
will be moved to 2nd, what are youre thoughts on that and how soon
will you be back?
Neil1690:
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Fan Fight (Aug. 29-Sept. 4):
"Who Wins:
Judah vs. Mayweather Jr.?" |
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Result at Time of Stoppage: Blue:
30,
Red: 27
Ken_Flo KO 4
Chin Checker |
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Blue Corner:
Ken_Flo (0-1) - Zab Judah
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Chin Checker (0-1) - Floyd Mayweather Jr. - |
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Blue: "Alright
lets get it on may the best man win!!!...Okay let me tell you why Zab is
gonna beat Floyd when they do fight..First off we all saw what happend
when Floyd fought Corley he was on queer street by weak lefts from the
light punching chop chop ..and Corley isn't even a puncher/stalker like
Zab..and Zab hits way harder then Demarcus does..and Floyd is not known
for knocking people out..so he won't be able to knock Zab out..also
Floyd has never dealt with anyone who is as fast as Super Judah..and I
also want to point out that Zab would have a easy time hitting Floyd..If
Demarcus Corley and Jose Luis Castillo can land multipule shots on Floyd
then Zab will have an easy time landing his shots because he is way
faster and has better foot work then both Castillo and Corley..I think
Floyd is gonna get knocked out..He's moving up in weight to fight a
naturally bigger stronger hitter then him and I think hes going to walk
into something..and hes gonna be flat on his back getting counted
out..we have seen this a lot in boxing when a really good boxer goes up
in weight to fight someone with power..for example.....Roberto Duran vs.
Thomas Hearns ..My point is Zab has one punch Ko power and Floyd does
not...So only one fighter needs to be worried about getting knocked out
and thats Floyd Mayweather..and yes Zab did get ko'd by Kostya but were
talking about someone who is rated in the ring magazine as one of the
hardest punchers p4p in boxing history.."
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Red: "Corley’s a decent fighter
and the first slick boxer Floyd has ever faced. Most of the guys come
charging at him and are punchers like Gatti, Corrales, Chavez, etc. So
it was standard to see Corley give Floyd a test. It shows Floyd’s human.
Corley almost finished off Cotto for the matter, but he made it out and
thats what counts. Talk about queer street, that was Judah after Tszyu
landed a weak jab on him. He couldnt even spell queer at the time. And
how can you assess Floyd cant knockout Judah? Judah has the worst chin,
and for a boxer, Floyd’s got some power. He likes to show off more than
finish his victims, that’s the only reason any go the distance. Ko power
is exactly what he had and he demonstrated that vs tough chinned Phillip
Ndou. Hell, Corrales is now known as a weak chinned fighter because he’s
been down a lot, but previous to Floyd he hadnt been down and Floyd
dropped him 5 times. I think that’s more of Corrales HAD a decent chin
and Floyd just broke it and he hasnt recovered from it. Much like Vargas
in his fight with Trinidad. Vargas is considered to have a weak chin,
but he used to trade and take bombs before Tito and he never went down
before. This shows Floyd has power and if a jab can knock down Judah,
then a 10 punch combo will end Judah’s career."
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Slight round to Blue here.
Ken_Flo is detailing his punches and going into detail. Chin Cheacker
rather relying on his 2 best punches gets caught off guard each time
here. Although some meaningful comments by Chin, Ken is landing 3 and 4
to his one.
* 10-9 Round To Blue *
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- Round 2 - |
Red: "ok, the fact that
Mayweather is now the NUMBER 1 P4P FIGHTER IN THE WORLD should give a
clue as to who might win this one. Mayweather was already on a lot of
p4p number 1 lists, but now that Hopkins lost, it's a given. Who else?
Winky? Winky doesnt dazzle like Floyd, so Floyd's the best. Then you got
Judah. Judah is 10 at most on a P4P, but he's really a top 20 fighter.
And if he is at 10th, thats only recently. He had a string of non
motivated fights, one which he got a split decision win over a nobody
because he just lacked the "want" to fight. Sure he looks eagre now, but
give me a break, Corey Spinks floored him. Spinks would be the closest
fighter style wise that Judah has faced that compared to Floyd, yet I
say CLOSEST! Not that he has Floyds style at all. And Spinks beat him
the 1st time, yet the 2nd he got cocky and deserved what he got, dancing
infront of his hometown before he even got in the ring. Good. He was
never good to begin with, yet he beat Judah. AND FLOORED HIM TOO! With a
weak ass shot. Floyd gets cocky, but he's always on point with his
skill. Corey had no reason to be cocky. He beat Mayorga, so what. Floyd
is beating EVERYONE. He holds win over Chico and TWO over Castillo
and those are the two best guys at lightweight and Floyd mastered them!
What's Judah got? A Weak chin if you ask me and if a Spinks jab can
floor him, what do you think a 10 punch combo from Floyds gonna do?"
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Blue:
"It doesn't mean hes the best boxer at
welterweight...Floyd is gonna lose this fight because he won't have an
answer for Judahs speed and agression..Ndou and Castillo were both able
to back Mayweather into the ropes and land some blows..as of matter of
fact..Castillo should have won the first fight..a lot of experts thought
he won the fight including the ring magazine..If Castillo can overwhelm
Floyd and give him problems then so can a 147 lb Judah..who is just as
agressive as Jose..The Judah that we see box today is more focused..Look
at his second fight with Cory Spinks..he wen't in there and demolished
Cory..and knocked him out..and Cory has never been knocked out by a
punch before..think about it if he can stay focused in a fight in Corys
home town..while 22,000 people are cheering against him..Then hes gonna
be really focused with his fight with Mayweather..you also mention that
Cory wasn't good to begin with..that is such BS!!!..Cory out boxed a
very agressive and hard hitting Mayorga who had just defeated a very
talented Vernon Forrest "Who was just coming off of two wins over Shane
Mosley" Cory did something that Vernon was not able to do..and your
saying that hes not good..that is ridiculous..and Zab went into his
hometown and knocked Cory out..so that is pretty damn impressive..I also
wanted to mention that Zab was off balance went Cory hit him so he didnt
go down because he was stunned..he was just off balance and later on he
nailed Cory and almost ko'd him in the final seconds..and a lot of
experts thought Zab deserved the nod in that fight also..Carlos
Hernandez also gave Floyd a very competitve fight..and hes only a B
fighter..But anyway Zab knocked out a very slick Cory Spinks and if he
can do that..Then he will have no problem landing his left hand on Floyd
Mayweather..I just don't think Floyd will be able to take a punch at
welterweight if hes already been stunned at a lower weight class."
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Good round here as the teo are willing to exchange. Chin Checker makes a
comment about "Winky doesn't dazzle like Floyd, so Floyd's the best".
Hopkins never dazzled before when he was ranked number 1, so that has
nothing to do with him ranking above or below a not so "dazzling"
fighter. However, after a huge right hand miss, Chin is able to connect
with a light left hook following in mentioning Corey's style is somewhat
similar to Floyd's in comparing a fighter Judah has faced that's like
him. Ken answers right back and a nice counter that staggers Chin in
mentioning the knockdown of Judah was more of an "off balance"
shot and indeed it was. We all know the Judah dance when he's hurt and
this was not evident in their fight. Ken is on the mark here and brings
up how Castillo "should've won" in his 1st fight with Floyd.
Absolutely agree, and even though he lost, Ken brings up that Castillo
gave Floyd problems nonetheless which an also aggressive Judah can do.
* 10-9 Round to Blue *
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Blue: "In addition Floyd
Mayweather is gonna slow down by going up to welterweight..and he will
not be as powerful as he was ...his chin will be really tested in this
fight and hes already been overwhelmed at lightweight when he fought
Carlos Hernandez and Castillo..so just imagine...whats going to happen
when Zab comes charging at Floyd full speed..and when he starts landing
his straight lefts..its really gonna be a big obstacle for floyd to
overcome..and I'll doubt he'll overcome it..I also wanted to
mention..Floyds win over Arturo Gatti..wasn't that great of a
victory..Arturo wasnt even that good to began with..he already had six
losses..and was already a little messed up from all the wars hes been
in..so thats why Floyd wanted to fight him because he knew he can beat
him..I think Zab is faster then floyd and has more snap to his
punches..and can move around the ring better then Floyd..So its going to
be a chess match and Zab Judah is going to get the Check mate! When he
begans to land his left..on Floyd ..We don't even know if Floyd can take
a punch at welterweight..but we know that Zab will be able to take
Floyds punch ..But Zab can beat you in many ways he can Ko you..or
either out point you..its whatever happens..Floyd might feel the power
of Zabs punch and he'll probably freak out and he might just run and
clinch the whole night..or he might try to get brave and try to go to
war with Judah..and he'll defintley will go down and out if he does
that..!"
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Red: "woa, slow the horses. What
does anyones "opinion" have to do with what really happened? Floyd beat
Castillo in their 1st fight. Then, to make it official, he schooled him
in their 2nd. Floyd may have had a bad night and looked not so hot, but
he made it out with the victory, then stamped it in the rematch, meaning
whatever anyone thought, he won and beat Castillo twice. Castill gave
Floyd problems in there first fight? If so, why wasnt he able to in the
rematch? It's because Floyd allowed it to happen the 1st time, and didnt
the 2nd, no he dictated it all himself. what he says, GOES. Ok, now how
does Judah have more snap to his punches than Floyd? Judah is a one
punch and done fighter. He's a power puncher and fights like the recent
Tyson, which is big bombs away and miss frequently. Sure he's got some
power, but that's vs fights who stand right infront of him. Floyd has
never stood right infront of anyone. He could have the worst chin of all
boxers combined, but we wouldnt know it because he never gets hit solid
and flush, meaning Judah can since he's been knocked down and even
knockedout. Floyd never been down let alone hit even."
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The two trade again in the center of the ring to begin the round. Chin
arguing with the referee's warning of holding and hitting. Chin relying
on his one punch once again and Ken sees it coming each time and is able
to counter effectively and duck away. Chin just not paying attention to
his corner and swinging wildly, where Ken is patiently using the jab and
securing the rounds.
* 10-9 Round to Blue *
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- Round 4 - FINAL ROUND! |
Red:
"here's my final round. I dont
agree with the scoring on this one so far however, and I guarantee you
put up a Floyd vs Judah poll up that Floyd by KO or on points beat both
Judah by KO and Judah on points, so this doesnt make much sense right
now. How many fighters with the skills or half the skills Floyd has have
moved up and been successful? Mosley even skipped a weight class and
overcame Oscar. That right there sum's this fight up almost exactly.
Mosley being the Floyd, slick fighter moving up, taking ont he Champ,
Oscar whcih would be Judah, he has some skill, a little worn, some
power, but not nearly as fast or has the stamina Floyd has. Mosley moved
up 2 weigh classes to win. Floyd is twice the fighter Shane is. Shane
was impressive to the body only as a lightweight. Floyd has been
impressive upstairs as well as to the body and the ammount of punches in
his combinations double and triple to that of Shanes. And get this,
Judah isnt as good as Oscar. Oscar would beat Judah too, in their
primes, and right now. So that says alot. A better than Shane in
Mayweather can easily beat a not as good Oscar in Judah. How can you not
see the descriptiveness in that? Shane beat oscar. Floyd is better than
Shane and Oscar is better than Judah, so bang. That's easy."
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Blue: "Alright lets finish
this...You say that Floyd has never been hit flush..I guess you haven't
seen his fights with...Jose Luis Castillo, Demarcus Corley and Phillip
Ndou..Chop Chop stunned him a few times in his fight with Floyd..So that
answers your question if Floyd has a good chin or not..You also say
Floyd has never been down..I'm sorry to say he has..he wen't down
against Carlos Hernandez...You also say that Judah has power only when
his opponets stand in front of him..You obviousley didn't see Judahs
second fight with Cory Spinks..where he chased him down and knocked him
out..Anyway Floyd was stunned by Corley which you even said your self is
a descent boxer..Now if a descent boxer can stun and back Floyd into the
ropes...What do you think a A boxer like Zab Judah is gonna do to him?
Let me tell you give him a hell of a lot of trouble..Floyd is not going
to be as dominate as he was at lightweight..and when he does fight Judah
he is going to see that his punch isn't as powerful as it was at
lightweight..and hes going to notice how much slower he is..and how much
harder it is to take a punch from a very powerful welterweight..hes
already been stunned at a lower weight class...just imagine whats going
to happen when Judah lands his first power shot on Floyd...and it'll be
Floyd who does the chicken dance instead of Zab Judah..!"
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The Final round is underway here and Chin Checker does more complaining
to the referee once the bell rings. Ken maintaining his jab here, a big
miss from Chin and a huge right hand counter from Ken follows and
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWN GOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEES CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIN! Ken
right on the mark with his counter of mentioning the 1st knockdown of
Floyd's career vs. Carlos Hernandez sent Chin to the canvas. Chin's up
on 5. Chin goes right back at Ken and starts swinging wildly again.
Honestly, in Boxing, a+b doesn't always = c which you are basically
bringing up with the whole Mosley vs. DeLaHoya comparison. Some
similarities are apparent, but that never predicts the outcome of a
different fight. Ken senses the end is near and spins Chin into the
corner. Ken unleashes a body attack with left and right hooks and
DOOOOOWWWWWN HE GOEEEEEEES AGAIN!!!!!
Chin spits out his mouthpiece grasping his stomach. 6...7...8...It
doesn't look like he's going to make it...9...10, AND THAT'S IT! It's
all over, here in round 4.
* Ladies And Gentlemen, This Fight Has Come To An End, At :48 Seconds
Into The 4th Round, The Referee Reached The Count Of 10 On The Second
Knockdown. You Winner By KO, KEN_FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Ken, you are in the win column.
You showed the same skills back in your narrow loss to Mossa back in
June and were able to put on a clinic here this week, what are your
plans now?
Ken_Flo:
I wanted to get a knock out
in this fight and I did..I showed that i'm someone not to be taken
lightly..Chin Checker was just whining the whole time so I had to shut
him up..But anyway good fight Chin..and if you want a rematch then lets
do it again!..I plan on fighting a couple of tune up fights before I
take on the big dogs..I also wouldn't mind a rematch with Mossa..I also
would like to thank Boxing 2005 for letting me compete this week..Thanks
for having me..Peace out!
Chin, it appeared that you didn't take your opponent very seriously
and may have under trained. What do you say to that and were do you
go from here?
Chin Checker:
what the?
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